RE: a question for theists
October 23, 2014 at 3:01 pm
(This post was last modified: October 23, 2014 at 3:08 pm by Chas.)
(October 23, 2014 at 1:23 pm)dyresand Wrote:(October 23, 2014 at 1:20 pm)Exian Wrote: Yeah, I hate when science tries to change my life. That's why I deny its existence whenever I can...Now, if I could just find the send button on this smart phone...Ah! Here it is.
the global warming model was falsified to make it seem like it was happening. reality the world is getting colder. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environ...-data.html
Except for the small detail that his 'expert' is wrong.
Steven Goddard Wrote:The radiative transfer models used by government climate scientists show that going up to 550 PPM or even 1000 PPM CO2 will make minimal difference to the radiative balance of the atmosphere. The knee of the CO2 curve is at about 30 PPM, and additional CO2 has little first order effect. This is because almost all radiation in the CO2 absorption spectra is already being absorbed by H2O or CO2 molecules. Adding more CO2 has minimal effect, because there is not much radiation left to be absorbed. (This is a bit of an oversimplification because of second order effects, but those are also small.) There is no indication from the radiative transfer models used by government scientists that additional CO2 will cause large amounts of heating.
He has misstated what "knee of the curve" means. Does he misunderstand it? It is the point of inflection of the slope of the curve - the point where it starts to go more vertical than horizontal. We've passed it - there is no limit to the amount of heat that can be absorbed when there is no limit to the greenhouse gases. His 'analysis' is simply, and obviously, wrong.
Quote:The temperature record of both the US and the world has been massively altered since older versions, almost invariably to create the appearance of more warming, and in some cases to create warming where there is none.
This is bollocks. What 'alteration' of what 'older versions'? The records are checked against tree ring and ice core data. We only have instrumented records since the mid-nineteenth century.
Quote:Sea level has been rising for 20,000 years, and is now 400 feet higher than it was when the first humans walked to North America from Asia across the Bering Strait. Most of the apparent sea level rise on the US East Coast is due to the land sinking, not sea level rising. There has been little or no sea level rise on the West Coast.
This is so wrong it is laughable. The sea level rose hundreds of feet as the last ice age ended - the water that had been locked up in miles-deep ice sheets was release.
He has provided no evidence for his statement about the West Coast.
(October 23, 2014 at 1:42 pm)dyresand Wrote: here is another source.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara...l-warming/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara...s-cooling/
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Londo...A-and-NOAA
if you say otherwise give me some info.
also we haven't fucked up the planet enough for it to start happening but we can stop fucking it up when we develop alternative fuels and traveling methods etc.
Those are not sources; those are opinions from a fucking lawyer and some youtube dude called 'chimpchimpo'.
Go read a science paper or at least try to.
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Science is not a subject, but a method.