Dems need to do better and can do better.

[Brian37]

Is the amount of universal basic income higher or lower than the minimum wage ??

And with no payment of taxes, what incentive is there for those people to vote for candidates that can implement a sustainable system, instead of pols who will instead 'break the bank' for votes ??

These folks long term best interests lie in being satiated at a level the rest of the people paying for it can sustain.

Perhaps a 'more workable' solution is to just arbitrarily draw a line at 3%, or 4.02% (or whatever) of the population and the folks below the line are 'poor' and the people above it are not. Curiously, the folks in the government tracking the poverty rate will be out of jobs because the poverty rate will simply be defined as a constant %, regardless of what the number might be under the current system. But so it goes.

Also, a similar idea can 'fix' social security. Arbitrarily decide how many workers there will be per retiree in perpetuity, and work out the retirement age from that.

So, for example, if we decide there will be 10 workers per retiree, then the 'average' worker will work 10 days for each day of social security they get, on average. Actuaries can figure out the retirement age annually and project them into the future.

If life spans continue to increase, the retirement age will automatically will automatically increment, if conditions deteriorate, and people start dying off, the retirement age can move the other way.



There, we've just 'solved' poverty and fixed social security.

Anything else we need to look at ??

I'd get rid of minimum wage.

People would still pay taxes if they earned income over and above their universal basic income but there would be no deductions or tax credits. Just a simple progressive tax rate.

How much universal basic income people got would depend on tax revenues. Say the government took in 3 trillion dollars in 2014. In 2015 the government would pay say 50% or 1.5 trillion back in the form of a universal basic income.

I don't have a detailed plan so if pressed I am certainly open toward change. I just think a universal basic income is more fair and more efficient then a hodgepodge of government programs and an army of government bureaucrats telling you how to spend money.

I think automation will eliminate the need for most people to work. I see two possible futures ahead of us. The one we are headed toward...where the government dictates how much we spend on food, how much we spend on housing, how much we spend on utilities, etc. Or the one I would like to see....where the government just administers the distribution of a technological dividend and we have the freedom to use that dividend any way we want.

Of course you'd get rid of the minimum wage. Why the fuck should a human being make enough to feed themselves and pay their bills. Who the fuck likes surviving?

All that crap above is just justification for your own fucking greed.

No one I consider sane should advocate getting rid of the open market or the private sector, as if you could on a planet of 7 billion in any case. But you are completely bat fucking shit insane to think only one class matters. There is already dictation going on, by global corporatism. It is not constructive wealth that improves the human condition. It is a global competition to create more poverty, exploitation and slave wages.

FUCK YOU and anyone who thinks we should get rid of the minimum wage. We should not even be calling it a "minimum wage" but call it a "livable wage".

You want to go down this road? We can but you are in for a world of verbal hurt.