Rape victim sentenced to death in Iran.

[Brian37]

If someone is about to be raped, should they wait till after they have been raped to take action?

Depends. How much do they want to survive this, what do they estimate their continued value of living from the rapist's view to be, are they currently equipped such that they can get out of this situation without being raped (if not, then can they become equipped if they play their cards 'right' during the rape), is the rapist particularly larger and stronger such that if one gives even a moment of their freedom they will lose it forever, does one wish to be able to put this person in prison for a very long period of time, is one a valuable distraction such that someone else might make a play while this rapist is preoccupied, etc?

I get that it was rhetorical... but it's a good question, and the answer is: sometimes. Keep your head, disconnect from the experience when you are able... and relax, as it saves on some of the bruising and the fractured/broken bones.

And execution is a really bad thing, no matter the crime, execution should be avoided as it is a point of no return...

Hopefully you'll never be in the position where making this call is necessary, or the best of the options (regardless of guilt) for one's agenda.

Serial murdering of dozens of people is also a point of no return.

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Here we go again. Um depends on who you are talking about. Christian bigots, who also hate the existence of atheists? Or liberals and liberal atheists who refuse to default to PC as a tactic because we want the East to have it's own Age of Reason and it's own Jefferson and Paine

That's the beauty of not specifying: my statements apply equally to the lot.

Age of Reason? What's this?

Islam is still far to widely in that region stuck in it's own dark age thinking. Malala was shot for wanting an education. Ayaan Hirsi Ali grew up in Islam would agree that political correctness is not the way to help the oppressed.

We more or less put it there, and our actions reinforce hatred and fear of the West... a rabid and cornered beast, if you will. Where are you getting this "political correctness" nonsense from, anyhow?

Now please do not argue something stupid about us being meanies because we don't give religion a pedestal. No sane person reading this is suggesting, or should suggest government force of the end to any religion.

I have never argued this. It is a statement of fact that Islam gets a bad rap in the West. That does not make a Muslim observing this fact an irony... and he is right: we sent a good number of crusades into their face, toppled the ottoman empire, incited dozens of wars in Islamic countries, toppled iran, toppled iraq, created 'Israel', and generally have been tremendous dickheads to islam for... many centuries.

I would suggest leaving them to the fate we've given them.

Some well intended atheists and theist on the left still have yet to learn the difference between the human right to claim what you want, and the separate ability to demonstrate the credibility of a claim.

Thing about claims... sure, I see your flag... but it's laughably undefended? Thank you for building me an outpost on my land; you saved me a lot of effort.

I do not find claims that women are property credible. I do not find claims of calls to violence as a form of activism credible. Those people who claim those things have a source they justify those claims with. It was no different when Christians burned witches and justified slavery and bigotry. And only an idiot would claim it is not the case even today that far too many Christians still today justify denying gays rights because of what they read in the bible.

Humans are as ownable as any other existence. What you find 'ownable' is irrelevant if you've not the power to contest the claims others have made; power which you do not posses.

NO that is not a call to end religion, it is a call to stop pretending religion is not used as a weapon when it is painfully obvious it is.

Everything can be molded for, or against, a goal. People are weapons, love is a weapon, information is a weapon, food is a weapon, art is a weapon... weapons are not defined as such except by their intent.

It just so happens that religion can be a very effective weapon.

Instead of getting upset with people wanting to stop religious bullying and religious bigotry, stop them from using religion or their holy books as excuses to justify what they do.

Why should I stop them? I'm not upset with anybody in this instance: a woman killed a man, and she is put to death. What is so shocking about this in a nation with a death penalty?

Humans are justifying creatures... we believe in our reasons. Whether our reasons be our religion or not changes nothing.

Get angry at the right people, don't get angry at the people getting angry at the right people.

I'll just save time and get angry at white people

Not at all not, don't be silly. I am ticked at ignorance and bad use of logic. You do not fix a problem without accepting that it is a problem.

I am using segregation in our history to serve as an example institutionalized laws that stack the deck against a particular segment of society. In the case of Iran, that law is on the books. That law is sexist, there is no way any women can have confidence in a system that punishes you for something that happened to you.

Just like no black person during segregation could have confidence in laws or courts that were stacked against them even before they got accused of something.

It is not a black or white issue. If you came out as an Atheist if you lived in Saudi Arabia, how much confidence would you have in their court system? How easy would it be for a fundy living there, to accuse another Muslim of being an atheist, even if they were not?

Please tell me you are not that dense to understand that?

The laws in Iran are not only stacked against women, they are stacked against non Shiites, including Sunni Muslims. At best you get by in that country if you keep your mouth shut.

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Iran has traffic lights too, that doesn't make them western and secular.