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Understanding atoms.
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RE: Understanding atoms.
Quote:Yes and not just that but how is the fine tuning kept finely tuned? Let's suppose 'chance' gives rise to just the right conditions for the subatomic particles to form. How are the conditions maintained to give rise to all these chances?

There is nothing external or supervisory that keeps atoms stable. Once it has formed it stayed that way unless something else affects it. Once the stage has been set then everything else will follow. Anyway, this fine-tuning as you call it won't last forever. Eventually the forces keeping atoms together will break down and matter as we know it will cease to exist. Then the Universe will simply be a vast empty void containing the very simplest sub atomic particles.

You could argue that the Universe we have today, full of stars, planets, galaxies, life etc. is just the afterglow from the big bang and the ultimate fate and life for the Universe is something very cold and alien where the quantum world will reign supreme.

It's all to do with perspective.

Quote:When you look at your new born baby, do you really believe that it's just chance that such 'miracles' exist? The complexity that has evolved, and that seems steered, can give rise to such a miracle? I can't view this as just 'chance'. It goes against my senses.

We obviously have very different ways of looking at things. When I see a new born baby, as I have done twice now Smile I see something beautiful, incredible, amazing and very special. However, I don't see it as a miracle. If fact it can't be a miracle as this sort of things is going on all the time. If anything, it is the very opposite of a miracle and somehow calling it that is somehow a slight against the wonders of nature that have allowed it to happen in the first place.

A baby being born isn't simply chance. It is quite literally 13.7 billions years of cause and effect (quantum mechanics not withstanding) and like all of us, we can trace our roots back to the big bang.

If I thought that somehow, the complexity of a new born baby was a miracle caused by a supernatural being who had planned everything out in advance it would be a massive anti-climax. For me, the wonder is that something so unique and precious can arise simply from such humble and random beginnings.
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Understanding atoms. - by CoxRox - December 17, 2008 at 3:00 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by LukeMC - December 17, 2008 at 3:08 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by CoxRox - December 17, 2008 at 3:13 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Edwardo Piet - December 17, 2008 at 9:28 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Purple Rabbit - December 17, 2008 at 3:24 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by CoxRox - December 17, 2008 at 3:27 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Purple Rabbit - December 17, 2008 at 3:40 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Purple Rabbit - December 17, 2008 at 3:48 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Tiberius - December 17, 2008 at 3:33 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by CoxRox - December 17, 2008 at 3:43 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Purple Rabbit - December 17, 2008 at 3:50 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Tiberius - December 17, 2008 at 3:48 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by LukeMC - December 17, 2008 at 3:48 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by CoxRox - December 17, 2008 at 3:53 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Purple Rabbit - December 17, 2008 at 3:55 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by CoxRox - December 17, 2008 at 3:56 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Purple Rabbit - December 17, 2008 at 3:58 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by LukeMC - December 17, 2008 at 3:57 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by CoxRox - December 17, 2008 at 4:01 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by LukeMC - December 17, 2008 at 4:06 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Purple Rabbit - December 17, 2008 at 4:13 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by CoxRox - December 17, 2008 at 4:07 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by LukeMC - December 17, 2008 at 4:12 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by CoxRox - December 17, 2008 at 4:20 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Darwinian - December 18, 2008 at 2:54 am
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Tiberius - December 18, 2008 at 3:11 am
RE: Understanding atoms. - by CoxRox - December 18, 2008 at 5:54 am
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2008 at 10:15 am
RE: Understanding atoms. - by CoxRox - December 31, 2008 at 10:42 am
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Darwinian - December 31, 2008 at 11:11 am
RE: Understanding atoms. - by CoxRox - December 31, 2008 at 11:49 am
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Purple Rabbit - December 31, 2008 at 12:30 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Darwinian - December 31, 2008 at 12:09 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by CoxRox - December 31, 2008 at 12:56 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Darwinian - December 31, 2008 at 1:31 pm
RE: Understanding atoms. - by Edwardo Piet - December 31, 2008 at 2:26 pm

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