(October 15, 2014 at 5:07 am)pocaracas Wrote:The naturalistic model forecast a slow arrival of life’s origin. Carl Sagan in his book ’intelligent life in the universe’ stated billions of years would be required for complex modules to arise from a primitive environment which is in agreement with modern day constructs. However the record shows that is not the case. the earliest fossils are dated to 3.5bya and geochemical dating of isotope ratios for carbon establishes that life was abundant on earth at least 3.8 bya. The earth’s age is 4.5 and until 3.9, the sun’s solar ionizing radiation was 50 times higher than present which would make life impossible. Life commence suddenly within 100 million years, plus there were additional environmental problem within that period that was hostile to any life arising from a naturalistic origin. Naturalism explanation for the life’s origin is hardly a ‘firm base’; more like shakier than jello.(October 15, 2014 at 1:11 am)snowtracks Wrote: American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) will only interpret data to advance a naturalism explanation. They state: “Science is a process of seeking natural explanations for natural phenomena“. So it’s not a conspiracy, but a policy. That’s all good and well but one should know that going in.
http://archives.aaas.org/docs/resolution...doc_id=443
If a god exists and is responsible for creating the whole Universe, or whatever, then that god is a part of Nature and should be available to scrutiny.
In other words, if the Universe is indeed intelligently created, then the creator is itself part of Nature and, unless it placed some blocks to our potential ability to research Nature beyond what was created, we should be able to reliably come to some natural information about that creator.
Furthermore, if that creator is also intent on having us humans acknowledge its existence, then such blocks that it may place would counter this intent. So it's not reasonable to assume that such blocks would be in place for the abrahamic god(s).
As such, and given that none of the current scientific discoveries about the Universe show nor hint at the presence of such a creative force, we have no reason to accept humanity's wishful thinking as minimally accurate.
One, or more, of those wishes may be correct, in the end... but we have no way of knowing it. Until then, let's use what we do know as the firm base where to stand.
Wishful thinking is no base to work upon... unless you wish to work upon preying on the gullible who wish a lot.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.