Lets Talk About Citizens United

[DeistPaladin]

The point you miss, in your arrogant lazy ignorance, is the people don't lose their rights just because they get together to accomplish some goal.

No one is suggesting they do. The Kochs can speak out all they like. The owners of Hobby Lobby can have their religious beliefs. They just can't use corporate money to fund it or abuse their corporate power to force employees to observe the owner's religious beliefs.

Corporate "persons" are only business entities. This is reflected in long standing laws where they don't vote. Even in business school, that was stipulated in our discussions on incorporation.

Suppose the janitorial company's truck had a bumper sticker on it reading "Support our troops". If Citizen's United was upheld, the government could force the 3 guys janitorial company to remove that bumper sticker....simply because they decided to do business as a corporation.

The bumper sticker would be ruled a personal expression by the driver of the truck, who is an individual person.

Do you want to live in a country where the government has that much power? If you do....go to North Korea.

Damn, you're shrill.

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Taking money out of politics like you suggest is curtailing an individuals ability to engage in speech.

So you think that because the Koch brothers are rich enough that they think nothing of dropping a billion dollars on a campaign, they're entitled to more speech than some guy who can barely afford to construct a picket sign out of cardboard? Some people just have more speech then others?

That doesn't sound like democracy. That's called "oligarchy".

It's true you can't force perfect equality in terms of speech. Some people have louder voices. Some people are better speakers. Some people embarrass themselves by admitting they don't read the posts they're responding to because they're lazy and intellectually dishonest. But that doesn't mean we can't try to regulate the obvious abuse of wealth in order to drown out everyone else.

I personally like democracy and prefer it to oligarchy.