RE: Opinions on Ukraine
November 17, 2014 at 10:53 am
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2014 at 10:58 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(November 14, 2014 at 7:02 pm)simplemoss Wrote: nobody's "imputing" anybody, you said if Ukraine wants an independent fascist nazis government they should get one.
Who am I, an American, to tell the Ukrainians what sort of government they should have? If they voted for this or that government, no matter its leanings, why should my country expend lives and treasure to overturn it when it doesn't present a threat to my country? And if they took to the streets to overthrow a government that wasn't acting in their best interests, that too is a vote of sorts, insofar as it expresses the will of the people (albeit an obnoxious form of expression). If you're going to argue that Ukraine being fascist is a big deal, back that up: how will it affect us, as Americans? I have no family there. I have no investments there. I do have family in our armed forces, though; and I'd just as soon not see their lives squandered.
The Russians, as I said, are throwing their weight around; they obviously want to recover Ukraine into their nation. Their policies and actions seem to be getting that task accomplished, too. At that point, your point about the Ukrainian government being fascist loses its weight, because the Russians will take take of that by force of events. American intervention would be idiotic, and if you read what I've been writing, that has been my point in this discussion.
(November 14, 2014 at 7:02 pm)simplemoss Wrote: I must assume you feel the way about Isis, that the people of that region should get whatever government "they" want and its nobody else's business but the poor unfortunate few who live in it's borders
This is an appeal to emotion, not a rational argument. When you can put up videos of Ukrainians beheading Americans, your comparison might be valid.
I am against wanton intervention in the internal affairs of other countries. That applies to my own country as well as others. I am especially against such measures when they face the insuperable difficulties any putative intervention in Ukraine would certainly entail.
(November 17, 2014 at 4:54 am)simplemoss Wrote: So what your advocating for chuck is "free the nazis!"?
The Russians seem to be doing a fine job of hamstringing Ukrainian fascism. Why should America do anything at all? Let the Russians do the fighting; it is, after all, much more their own national interest.
Also, you're imputing a position Chuck hasn't advocated here. Advocating disinterest is not picking a side.
