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Obamacare written to deceive the public.
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RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public.
(November 17, 2014 at 10:40 am)Heywood Wrote:
(November 17, 2014 at 2:39 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Come the fuck on. Republicans are trying too hard to kill even this lesser form of health care expansion for you to even sit there and pretend that the public option was excluded for any other reason than the fear that opposition would have been virtually insurmountable and probably nothing would have been accomplished at all.

That's what actual compromise is. Republicans know fuck all about it and don't care to learn.

Negative Ryantology.

The reason the public option wasn't passed in the original senate bill is because independent Joe Liberman wouldn't allow it. The democrats wouldn't have the 60 votes necessary to break the republican fillibuster without Joe. Once the original bill passed it could be modified with a reconciliation bill....which is how they got the democrats in the house to pass it and got rid of the Cornhusker kickback/ Louisiana Purchase provisions.
The bar changed from needing 60 votes to pass to 50 votes.

At the time Bernie Sanders was threatening his amendment, at least 40 democratic senators signed a petition showing support for the public option. The reason the democratic leadership whipped against the amendment is because they feared the votes were there to pass it. If the votes aren't there vote on it and when its not passed, its not added to the reconciliation bill....nothing changes.

The democrats will tell you they didn't want to slow up or stall the bill, but once they no longer needed to break a fillibuster...they were in complete control. They didn't need the republicans and conservative democrats. The claim that giving up the public option was a compromise....doesn't really pass the smell test.

Now there are two reasons that I can think of that are more plausible:

  1. The bill was intended to be a big gift to Obama's friends in the health insurance business.....and public option would contradict his goal of lining the pockets of his corporate pals.
  2. They were truly afraid of slowing down the bill because doing so would give the American public even more time to figure out what an abortion it was. They were afraid a populous lobby would rise up and sabotage the house votes.

Public option left out as a compromise.....nah....not plausible at all. The leadership paid it lip service....but it was never seriously on the table to begin with.

You have the conspiracy theory as option 1 (and there may even be some truth to it, because there are corporatist, conservative Blue Dog Democrats). You have, as option 2, exactly what I said, re-worded to make the uneducated conservative moron zombies and their corporate masters look like heroes saving America from the scourge of having more healthy people.

Both of which clearly ignore the fact that the REPEAL REPEAL REPEAL nightmare we've had to endure from the right for almost five years would have unquestionably been far worse, and everybody knew it. It's sort of fun watching you try to skirt the obvious fact that conservative opposition to helping the poor do anything except work harder and die faster is part and parcel of why we don't have the health care model that we should.
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Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 14, 2014 at 3:24 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 14, 2014 at 3:39 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Minimalist - November 14, 2014 at 3:37 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 16, 2014 at 11:01 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 11:08 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 16, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Angrboda - November 16, 2014 at 1:22 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 16, 2014 at 1:30 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 18, 2014 at 8:12 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 4:00 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by simplemoss - November 16, 2014 at 5:04 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 5:24 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 16, 2014 at 5:20 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 16, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 16, 2014 at 7:09 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 7:22 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 16, 2014 at 7:23 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 7:25 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 16, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 8:46 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Lao Shizi - November 16, 2014 at 8:30 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 16, 2014 at 9:15 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 10:50 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 16, 2014 at 10:57 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 16, 2014 at 11:04 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 12:35 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Esquilax - November 17, 2014 at 2:23 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 17, 2014 at 2:39 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 17, 2014 at 2:23 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 6:17 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 17, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 7:28 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 17, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 17, 2014 at 12:13 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 6:57 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 7:24 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 17, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 17, 2014 at 9:53 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 10:09 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 10:50 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 17, 2014 at 10:53 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 18, 2014 at 5:10 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 18, 2014 at 1:25 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 17, 2014 at 10:59 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 11:13 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 11:39 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 18, 2014 at 12:44 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 18, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 18, 2014 at 10:43 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by DeistPaladin - November 19, 2014 at 12:00 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 19, 2014 at 1:06 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 18, 2014 at 6:38 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 20, 2014 at 7:46 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by simplemoss - November 18, 2014 at 9:34 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 18, 2014 at 9:48 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 18, 2014 at 10:56 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by DeistPaladin - November 18, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 18, 2014 at 6:31 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 18, 2014 at 6:36 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 18, 2014 at 8:56 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 19, 2014 at 12:50 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 19, 2014 at 11:31 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by DeistPaladin - November 19, 2014 at 12:08 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 19, 2014 at 10:00 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 19, 2014 at 10:07 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 19, 2014 at 10:49 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 18, 2014 at 8:23 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Silver - November 18, 2014 at 8:30 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 19, 2014 at 5:28 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by simplemoss - November 19, 2014 at 4:22 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 19, 2014 at 9:51 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 19, 2014 at 9:57 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 19, 2014 at 10:09 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 20, 2014 at 11:13 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 20, 2014 at 7:04 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 19, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 19, 2014 at 9:43 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 23, 2014 at 5:48 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 23, 2014 at 7:00 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 23, 2014 at 7:22 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 23, 2014 at 7:30 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by DeistPaladin - November 23, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 23, 2014 at 12:47 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 23, 2014 at 1:19 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 23, 2014 at 9:01 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 24, 2014 at 10:28 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 24, 2014 at 6:09 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 23, 2014 at 1:34 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 23, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 23, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 23, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 23, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 20, 2014 at 11:52 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 20, 2014 at 9:27 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by simplemoss - November 23, 2014 at 1:01 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 23, 2014 at 8:17 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by simplemoss - November 24, 2014 at 6:59 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Jaysyn - November 24, 2014 at 11:00 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 24, 2014 at 11:38 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Jaysyn - November 24, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 24, 2014 at 12:07 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Jaysyn - November 24, 2014 at 1:22 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 24, 2014 at 8:07 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 12:21 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by DeistPaladin - November 26, 2014 at 12:30 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 12:42 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 26, 2014 at 1:07 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 26, 2014 at 8:16 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 26, 2014 at 10:11 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 27, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 27, 2014 at 1:25 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 27, 2014 at 11:28 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 27, 2014 at 11:57 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 28, 2014 at 12:00 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 28, 2014 at 12:25 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 28, 2014 at 8:30 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Esquilax - November 27, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Angrboda - November 26, 2014 at 9:23 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 24, 2014 at 2:31 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 25, 2014 at 4:26 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by bennyboy - November 26, 2014 at 9:05 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by DeistPaladin - November 26, 2014 at 11:06 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 11:28 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 6:16 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Angrboda - November 26, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 5:58 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by vorlon13 - November 27, 2014 at 11:35 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 27, 2014 at 12:48 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 28, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Angrboda - November 28, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 28, 2014 at 8:22 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 28, 2014 at 10:02 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 29, 2014 at 12:25 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 29, 2014 at 3:24 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 30, 2014 at 11:19 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 30, 2014 at 4:19 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - December 2, 2014 at 11:39 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - December 2, 2014 at 2:33 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 30, 2014 at 1:56 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 30, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 28, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 28, 2014 at 2:27 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by xpastor - November 28, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Dragonetti - November 30, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Dragonetti - December 2, 2014 at 12:53 pm

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