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Obamacare written to deceive the public.
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RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public.
(November 17, 2014 at 6:17 pm)Heywood Wrote: The democratic leadership could have put the public option to a test but were afraid too(and consequently whipped against it) because the votes might have actually been there to pass it. The primary purpose of this bill was not to help the American people....but to help big business so the public option was never an option.

They could have. Or, they could expect the worst. As events have proven decisively, going that route would have ended up with fiercer resistance and very likely not even the flawed improvement we got. After all, there were plenty of Democrats who remembered Republicans doing precisely that when health care reform was attempted in the 90s. They were dealing with very moneyed interests and their army of troglodyte voters, who are still hell-bent on undoing it.

The other edge of democracy's sword is that stupid, selfish and brainwashed people have votes that are worth just as much as those who actually want to make things better for people.

You don't think plenty of Democrats would love your optional private health care, backed by a publicly-funded healthcare system that was cheap or free for your average person? I think most of them would like the idea. It's certainly a better idea than the ACA. And as long as we have Republican majorities in any of the three branches of government, it will never, ever, ever ever happen, or it will be neutered all to hell and fought tooth and nail at the waste of billions of dollars. It will be derided as socialism, as well as the other two or three -isms your average conservative idiot has in his or her vocabulary and applies to anybody left of Atilla the Hun.

And I know that you're being deliberately dishonest rather than stupid. You know that's precisely the way it is. You're blaming Democrats for being pragmatic and not going after a bigger prize they had a much smaller chance of winning.

Socialized medicine is coming, but America is presently full of selfish, temperamental toddlers on the right. The ACA is the training pants we have to wear before we catch up with the rest of the developed world, just as we had to go "separate but equal" before we achieved integration, or how we had to go with civil unions before we recognized the right of same-sex couples to marry.
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Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 14, 2014 at 3:24 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 14, 2014 at 3:39 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Minimalist - November 14, 2014 at 3:37 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 16, 2014 at 11:01 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 11:08 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 16, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Angrboda - November 16, 2014 at 1:22 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 16, 2014 at 1:30 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 18, 2014 at 8:12 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 4:00 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by simplemoss - November 16, 2014 at 5:04 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 5:24 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 16, 2014 at 5:20 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 16, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 16, 2014 at 7:09 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 7:22 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 16, 2014 at 7:23 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 7:25 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 16, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 8:46 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Lao Shizi - November 16, 2014 at 8:30 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 16, 2014 at 9:15 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 16, 2014 at 10:50 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 16, 2014 at 10:57 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 16, 2014 at 11:04 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 12:35 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Esquilax - November 17, 2014 at 2:23 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 17, 2014 at 2:39 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 17, 2014 at 2:23 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 6:17 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 17, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 7:28 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 17, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 17, 2014 at 12:13 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 6:57 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 7:24 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 17, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 17, 2014 at 9:53 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 10:09 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 10:50 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 17, 2014 at 10:53 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 18, 2014 at 5:10 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Ryantology - November 18, 2014 at 1:25 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 17, 2014 at 10:59 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 11:13 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 17, 2014 at 11:39 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 18, 2014 at 12:44 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 18, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 18, 2014 at 10:43 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by DeistPaladin - November 19, 2014 at 12:00 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 19, 2014 at 1:06 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 18, 2014 at 6:38 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 20, 2014 at 7:46 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by simplemoss - November 18, 2014 at 9:34 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 18, 2014 at 9:48 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 18, 2014 at 10:56 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by DeistPaladin - November 18, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 18, 2014 at 6:31 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 18, 2014 at 6:36 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 18, 2014 at 8:56 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 19, 2014 at 12:50 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 19, 2014 at 11:31 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by DeistPaladin - November 19, 2014 at 12:08 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 19, 2014 at 10:00 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 19, 2014 at 10:07 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 19, 2014 at 10:49 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 18, 2014 at 8:23 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Silver - November 18, 2014 at 8:30 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 19, 2014 at 5:28 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by simplemoss - November 19, 2014 at 4:22 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 19, 2014 at 9:51 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 19, 2014 at 9:57 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 19, 2014 at 10:09 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 20, 2014 at 11:13 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 20, 2014 at 7:04 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 19, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 19, 2014 at 9:43 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 23, 2014 at 5:48 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 23, 2014 at 7:00 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 23, 2014 at 7:22 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 23, 2014 at 7:30 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by DeistPaladin - November 23, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 23, 2014 at 12:47 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 23, 2014 at 1:19 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 23, 2014 at 9:01 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 24, 2014 at 10:28 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by A Theist - November 24, 2014 at 6:09 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 23, 2014 at 1:34 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 23, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 23, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 23, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 23, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 20, 2014 at 11:52 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Aractus - November 20, 2014 at 9:27 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by simplemoss - November 23, 2014 at 1:01 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 23, 2014 at 8:17 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by simplemoss - November 24, 2014 at 6:59 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Jaysyn - November 24, 2014 at 11:00 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 24, 2014 at 11:38 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Jaysyn - November 24, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 24, 2014 at 12:07 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Jaysyn - November 24, 2014 at 1:22 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 24, 2014 at 8:07 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 12:21 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by DeistPaladin - November 26, 2014 at 12:30 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 12:42 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 26, 2014 at 1:07 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 26, 2014 at 8:16 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 26, 2014 at 10:11 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 27, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 27, 2014 at 1:25 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 27, 2014 at 11:28 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 27, 2014 at 11:57 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 28, 2014 at 12:00 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 28, 2014 at 12:25 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 28, 2014 at 8:30 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Esquilax - November 27, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Angrboda - November 26, 2014 at 9:23 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 24, 2014 at 2:31 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 25, 2014 at 4:26 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by bennyboy - November 26, 2014 at 9:05 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by DeistPaladin - November 26, 2014 at 11:06 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 11:28 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 6:16 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Angrboda - November 26, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 26, 2014 at 5:58 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by vorlon13 - November 27, 2014 at 11:35 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 27, 2014 at 12:48 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 28, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Angrboda - November 28, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 28, 2014 at 8:22 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Brian37 - November 28, 2014 at 10:02 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 29, 2014 at 12:25 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 29, 2014 at 3:24 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 30, 2014 at 11:19 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - November 30, 2014 at 4:19 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - December 2, 2014 at 11:39 am
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Surgenator - December 2, 2014 at 2:33 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 30, 2014 at 1:56 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 30, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Heywood - November 28, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by abaris - November 28, 2014 at 2:27 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by xpastor - November 28, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Dragonetti - November 30, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: Obamacare written to deceive the public. - by Dragonetti - December 2, 2014 at 12:53 pm

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