(July 11, 2010 at 9:51 pm)Godhead Wrote: AtheistPhil -
I agree that consciousness isn't a physical thing (although I know what I said, I was just being very general), or a set of physical things. I also agree that consciousness relies on physical things, but in the sense that software relies on whatever hosts it. And I agree that consciousness can disappear from the body and return to it. So, we're talking about something that is not physical, relies on something physical to function with the body, and can leave, and return. Doesn't that sound like an independent thing which uses the body? Doesn't that mean that we are not our bodies, rather, we use our bodies to function within the material world?
You're saying that consciousness relies on physical things but you said earlier that consciousness = everything, isn't that a contradiction ?
The terms "disappear" "appear" aren't appropriate here (too physicaly oriented). I'd say consciousness "happens" at some point in time and space.
Technically, if we were to create 2 identical set of neurones with exactly the same parameters, the two flows of electrons and chemicals would make the exact same consciousness happens at the same time, but with different positions in space.
Consciousness is certainly not independent, it is matter that defines the flow of electrons and chemicals. And if the consciousness seems to change/interact with physical things, it is ultimately the matter responsible for the flow which makes this action.
The particules of our body "create" consciousness which interacts with the particules of our body.
We are both of them: the particules and the interactions between particules.
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