(November 17, 2014 at 6:21 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:scenarios: 1. cell has a complete membrane with nothing in it. 2. all the cell parts with no membrane. Parts as: nucleus, protoplasm (dna material), vacuoles, etc. 3. Fully functional cell - naturalism posit that this happened but is unexplained.(November 16, 2014 at 3:57 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Ok so you have opted for "irreducible complexity" a long refuted attempt to shoe horn in a god where one is required.
I am not an expert in this field so wont even try to rebut this specific example, but I know that no attempt to show that this is a thing has succeeded.
In my layperson opinion, there's no functional difference between "A God" and an effect observed and ascribed particular characteristics.
The fundamental disconnect seems to be that those systems which function survive, and those that don't die out.
A creationist anthropomorphizes this process into an existing being more intelligent than they can fathom; whose eternal nature implies the same output effect as a blind process rewriting code until something sticks, so to speak.
There's no functional difference, so I don't see where the disagreement lies.
#2 - cell wouldn’t last a nanosecond without a membrane. Maybe the nucleus directed it’s construction faster then that to save the day.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.