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what would make you change your beliefs?
RE: what would make you change your beliefs?
(July 12, 2010 at 9:07 am)Godhead Wrote: I know that I'm assuming. I can't help it any more than you can help assuming that this physical world is all there is.
Do you not understand the burden of proof?

Quote:You see the physical world, you see nothing else, and assume that what you can see is all there is.
Because I know of no evidence to anything further. That's not an assumption... the physical world is self-evident... to believe anything further would be an assumption because there's no evidence for it.

Quote: I see the physical world, I see nothing else, and I assume that I'm not capable of seeing all there is.
I'm not capable of seeing all there is either. There are many things I don't see. But since everything I do see is physical... why would I assume there was anything non-physical or spiritual hanging around the corner? That lacks evidence. The physical world doesn't. The physical world is self-evident.

Quote: Which is more reasonable, assuming that what you're capable of seeing is all there is,
I never claimed that. There are many things I don't see. I just don't claim the existence of non-physical things without evidence. I do claim the existence of physical things because they're self-evident.

Quote: or assuming that you are limited in what you can see?
Of course I'm limited in what I see. I am a limited being. It does not follow logically that because I'm limited then somehow non-physical things exist. To believe they exist is an assumption. To believe the physical exists is entirely rational because it's self-evident.

(July 12, 2010 at 9:07 am)Godhead Wrote: I'll throw this into the mix, see what you make of it. I haven't read it all myself : http://www.does-god-exist.net/reality-check.html

It seems to be supporting what you believe. That to ask whether God exists first we must define God. And if you define God as everything and energy then that's just saying that energy exists which is obvious. The claim that somehow everything is consciousness is a completely unfounded claim lacking evidence. To call that "God" is just to label your unsupported claim that everything is consciousness.

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RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 4, 2010 at 12:02 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by chasm - July 4, 2010 at 12:05 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 4, 2010 at 12:11 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by chasm - July 4, 2010 at 12:12 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 4, 2010 at 12:14 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by chasm - July 10, 2010 at 5:09 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:15 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:32 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 12, 2010 at 2:38 am
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 9:29 am
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 12, 2010 at 3:09 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by Godhead - July 12, 2010 at 12:30 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 12, 2010 at 3:51 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 12, 2010 at 4:44 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by annatar - July 18, 2010 at 11:32 pm

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