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what would make you change your beliefs?
RE: what would make you change your beliefs?
(July 12, 2010 at 9:53 am)Godhead Wrote: EvF -

You can't see anything other than the physical, but that says more about what you can see than about what there is.
Yes.

Quote: By saying : everything I see = everything there is, you're making a positive statement about your capability to see what there is.
I never made such a statement.

Quote: You're saying that you can see all there is.
No.

Quote: You're using the fact that you can see certain things to justify a belief that you can see all.
No.

Quote: Now, if you don't really believe that you can see all, then that immediately opens the door to speculation about other things.
I'm fine to speculate about anything. I just don't believe without evidence.

Quote:Since you can only see certain things, you can't use those things as evidence of other things.
Induction at best can be used.

Quote: So you need to use logic and thought experiments to at least establish a possibility that what you see isn't all you get.
Never made such a claim.

Quote: Being limited in what you see means that there's a limit to what you can see, which means that there's more.
That's not evidence that everything "out there" is consciousness. That's merely evidence that there's other things out there.

Quote: If you admit to being limited, you admit to there being something beyond your limits.
Yes.

Quote: Limit doesn't mean absolute end, it means a point where something stops, in this case, your ability to see.
Yes.

Quote: When you put an end to something, you don't say "I limitted it", you say "I finished it, I ended it, it is no more".
Yes.

Quote: Limit means boundary, restriction, extent. If you're limited, then by definition there is more.
I think you already made that point.

Quote: That's why it's perfectly reasonable to assume (very safely) that the physical is not all there is.
No because there's no evidence for anything non-physical.

Quote: As for evidence that everything is consciousness, I have none.

I thought as much.

EvF
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Messages In This Thread
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 4, 2010 at 12:02 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by chasm - July 4, 2010 at 12:05 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 4, 2010 at 12:11 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by chasm - July 4, 2010 at 12:12 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 4, 2010 at 12:14 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by chasm - July 10, 2010 at 5:09 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:15 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:32 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 12, 2010 at 2:38 am
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 11:55 am
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 12, 2010 at 3:09 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by Godhead - July 12, 2010 at 12:30 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 12, 2010 at 3:51 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by fr0d0 - July 12, 2010 at 4:44 pm
RE: what would make you change your beliefs? - by annatar - July 18, 2010 at 11:32 pm

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