(November 19, 2014 at 1:48 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(November 19, 2014 at 1:47 pm)Cato Wrote: Deuteronomy 21:
18 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
Something something jesus something New Testament something don't have to follow that.
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Something something metaphor something just means scold them.
Notice anything there about children, the word children is not used once, and why are the girls not included in these verses? Got an answer to those questions? You guys should really read things with some degree of comprehension. You should really pay attention to what you've read and stop listening to those who have no idea what their talking about.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.