(November 19, 2014 at 12:38 pm)pocaracas Wrote:(November 19, 2014 at 12:04 pm)Khansins Wrote: I would say NO, if we believe that we are automatically Muslims when we are born in Muslim families. We are not born-Muslims just because we are born is a Muslim family as we do not inherit Islam from our parents. It is the education at home, the curriculum at school and the environment that determine whether we are Muslims or not. We are Muslims ONLY IF we understood the meaning of Tawheed and APPLY the meaning. For example, the wife and son of Prophet Noah ‘alaihi salaam were Non-Muslim although they were a son and a wife of a prophet. The son did not inherit Islam from his father. By having a father who is a prophet, mufti or a great Islamic scholar does not make some one becomes Muslim if he himself does not understand the meaning of Tawheed and never apply the meaning.
Well then... why are there muslims who think/believe everyone is born a muslim?
Where did they get that notion?
How does it get propagated?
There are also Muslims who think 'killing' a human is allowed. Every Muslim has different perspective owing to his beliefs. Anyway , I don't know exactly how did that notion get propagated but I know my fellow Muslims thought that since at birth every person is free of sin and pure , he/she is a Muslim. Which of course , is not true.
(November 20, 2014 at 3:33 am)robvalue Wrote: I'm having trouble grasping this whole "becoming a Muslim" thing. You become a Muslim because you pass some sort of test, then someone says you are a Muslim? What gives anyone the right to say who is and isn't a Muslim?
That aspect of it sounds exceptionally cult like to me, nothing to do with religion at all. It sounds divisive and dangerous. (I pretty much equate cults and religions anyway, but they are usually more subtle about it than this.)
It sounds like the leftover from a primitive time when such things might have made sense. I think for free thought and liberty to prevail, this "branding" (as I understand it) needs to go.
If I'm being totally ignorant about it, please correct me. I tried to understand it but it sounds so weird to me.
No One and seriously No one has the right to proclaim himself or other a Muslim. Only Allah Knows the Best. He knows who is a Muslim and one who is not. But Islam has set some rules/principles in order to make it convenient for human beings to understand what being a 'Muslim' means and How to follow 'Muslim' set of conduct and rules. I have a lot of fellow Muslims who proclaim to be Muslims but they decline the principles of Islam on various occasions. In my country, Pakistan , we got a lot of such people !!
