(November 24, 2014 at 7:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Um, no, the sources you offered..in addition to being riddled with questions of authenticity, talk about people -who believe- in jesus....maybe.
Bullshit. The only one source that really has an authenticity issue is the Josephus account...and we've already identified the problem and omitted it from the passage....the only problem is, Jesus is still the subject of the passage, which is more than enough for Christians.
(November 24, 2014 at 7:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: -and don't play dumb. Bart believes, but I don't give a shit..and neither should you, at least not if you're maintaining the fiction of attempting a case for christ. If you posted "A case for people who might have believed in a christ figure in the past and those who believe in a Jesus today" I wouldn't be giving you any shit whatsoever - I don't even think that such a case would be required....but that's not what you're attempting to do, now is it?
Bullshit. Tacitus said that "Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at that hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate."
Do you see what he said? He said that "Christus suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate"
He is not stating this as if it was just a freakin' belief held by the Christians, he is saying it as if it actually happened, because it did.
(November 24, 2014 at 7:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Tell me why, point to some evidence? Even evidence for a man - I'm already halfway there, after all...I accept that men exist.
That's only half the battle.
