RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 11:59 pm
(This post was last modified: November 26, 2014 at 12:07 am by His_Majesty.)
(November 25, 2014 at 4:22 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I got that from you, actually. Even if 90% of historians believed in JC as an historical character, there would still be that 10% who didn't. Their objections still need to be evaluated, so we can determine why they don't accept it. It may be they have biases preventing their accepting the evidence, agendas to push. Or they may just have a point. But if you cut them out of the frame altogether without consideration, how are we ever to know?
Well, that is for you to decide, Stimbo. I am convinced by all of it, but hey, who am I?
(November 25, 2014 at 4:22 pm)Stimbo Wrote: This is all academic anyway, since - for the umpteenth time - we're not addressing a majority of evidence-believers, we're dealing with one guy on the internet talking about a majority.
This subject is far bigger than one guy on the internet...this subject has had books written about it, and publicized debates conducted to discuss it.
(November 25, 2014 at 4:22 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Interesting choice of phrase. Are you still citing Josephus as reliable testimony, after you've been shown repeatedly why it's not?
So you really think that these people on here have "shown" why Josephus isn't a reliable source?? As if there is so much virtue in what they say???
Mannn please. Get out of here with that nonsense
(November 25, 2014 at 4:22 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Yet again, we only have your statement of that. I could say the majority of xtians are secretly scientologists, with just as much authority.
Bullshit. I already gave two independent sources which stated that to be the case. Navigate through the pages and find them.
(November 25, 2014 at 4:22 pm)Stimbo Wrote: What would that achieve? Why can't you get to the issue right here?
Never mind then.
(November 25, 2014 at 4:22 pm)Stimbo Wrote: That offer, yes. I don't do IM with anyone outside my personal circle. Now you may crow.
Divine revelation.
(November 25, 2014 at 7:23 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Oh boy... guys... let's just let him have one tiny piece of the chicken.
OK, Majesty, I agree it is possible that there was a person, let's call him Jesus, who existed and was a sort of spiritual leader.
It is possible that there were several such men and the stories surrounding them got mingled/mangled into one person... errr... for simplicity.
It is possible there was some real person behind the original myth. A person who went against the established power and who pointed out the details of how the jewish clergy was behaving badly or misrepresenting the scriptures. A person who preached peace and simplicity in the face of all the complexity and rules that jewish rituals were acquiring.
A likable person... a people person.
It is possible such a person would gather a crowd around him.
It is possible such a person would become misrepresented, in time.
It is possible such misrepresentation would lead to attribution of extraordinary feats to that person... such as dying and coming back to life... I believe that would be called a resurrection, right?
Like pulling teeth...
