MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)

[His_Majesty]

If this is supposed to be a list of non Christians historians you are either a liar, or you don't read.

John Dominic Crossan is ex priest with a degree in divinity. He has remained remained a Roman Catholic. He is not an atheist or an agnostic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dominic_Crossan

First off, as the wikipedia article states, John "is an Irish-American New Testament scholar, historian of early Christianity, and former Catholic priest who has produced both scholarly and popular works. His research has focused on the historical Jesus, on the anthropology of the Ancient Mediterranean and New Testament worlds and on the application of postmodern hermeneutical approaches to the Bible".

Based on the fact that the man is a "historian of early Christianity", and he has "produced both scholarly and popular works", some may say he is a leading authority on the subject, Jenny.

And guess what, Jenny, old Johnny body doesn't believe in the Resurrection. Dr. Craig gives a vivid picture of Crossan's version of a "resurrection"...after all, they debated the topic of the "Real Jesus", which you can see for yourself...here is Craig's assessment of Crossan's views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw9jvJp_nAo

Bart Ehrman is an ex Christian with a degree in divinity.

Right, Bart is an ex Christian, which means he doesn't believe in the Resurrection, but he clearly believes in the existence of Jesus as a man, and he vehemently denied anyone that claims otherwise (about this belief). He is a new testament scholar..and he said himself that he has spent 30 years of his life studying and researching this stuff...he is one of the leading authorities on the subject of the historicity of Jesus and he is constantly cited as an authority by lots of people within the field.

E.P Sanders is another guy with a degree in divinity. "Sanders identifies himself as a "liberal, modern, secularized Protestant." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._P._Sanders He does not identify himself as an atheist.

Good stuff, Jenny. My bad. Just replace E.P Sanders with Michael Grant...and go ahead and do your research on him, and just to show you appreciation for your correction, I will give you this: http://www.bede.org.uk/price1.htm

Read the "Michael Grant" part. Go ahead.

I can't pin down Gerd Ludmann's degree with certainty, but it appears to have been theological. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_L%C3%BCdemann

Well, if since he debated WLC on the Resurrection, we at least know that he wasn't a Christian, the only question is whether or not he believes in the historical Jesus as a man...and the answer is...Yes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MWcFv0ySm0

Starting at around 33:45, Gerd states, "I agree with Dr. Craig that it is probable that there was a Jew named Joseph of Arimethea who buried Jesus". Hey Jenny, Gerd isn't a Christian, and he believes that Jesus was buried, and if he believes that Jesus was buried, he believes that Jesus existed.

Jame Tabor has a degree in Biblical literature.

With an emphasis on the origins of Christianity and Judaism, which is a field that he has spent 30 years in, according to him. That info will be provided to you in the same link below.

It's not clear whether he thinks Jesus is historical or not:

Richard Wightman Fox, professor of history, the University of Southern California, writing in Slate (April 2006) said, "Ultimately Tabor leaves the reader confused about whether he thinks the Jesus dynasty is a historical fact or merely an intriguing conjecture" and that "Tabor seems stuck in an endless loop, squinting across the sands of time as much as the terrain of Galilee and Judea, holding out for some imagined "real" contact with the historical Jesus"

Its funny you mention that, because in this link http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-d-ta...00409.html , which is an article authored by James himself, he states:

"Paul never met Jesus. The chronological facts are undisputed. Jesus of Nazareth was crucified during the reign of Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor or prefect of Judea, in April, A.D. 30. As best we can determine it was not until seven years after Jesus' death, around A.D. 37, that Paul reports his initial apparition of "Christ," whom he identifies with Jesus raised from the dead."

Not only is he behind me on this one, but it even looks like he is using the same sources I used (and everyone else uses, for that matter).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tabor It's not clear whether he would call himself a Christian.

Well, it certainly isn't clear on whether he is a Christian, but it is clear that he believes in the historical Jesus. As far as him being a Christian is concerned, I have two sources which state that is he is Christian skeptic...

There isn't a man educated as a historian on your list. One of them may not believe in a historical Jesus, and another couple remain Christian.

Bullshit. There was only one person on there that can be listed as a Christian, which was my bad...and that was E.P Sanders...and he was replaced by someone that is an atheist and still believes in the historicity of Jesus....None of the sources on the list are Christians...and I challenge you to name one person on the list that is a Christian. Second, all accounts that I've seen show James Tabor as a skeptic, but still believes in the historicity of Jesus. Third, look at the wikipedia article on the historicity of Jesus where it states that the vast majority of historians believe in the historicity of Jesus, and you can feel free to check their citations. Third, I already posted the video where Bart Ehrman also confirms this majority view from historians regarding the historicity of Jesus. Fourth, everyone on the list is a historian in some capacity...whether it is a new testament historian, historian on the origins of Christianity, whatever...all men are leading figures on the topic at hand...and none of them are Christians, and they still believe in the historicity of Jesus.