(November 26, 2014 at 2:16 am)His_Majesty Wrote: "Paul never met Jesus. The chronological facts are undisputed. Jesus of Nazareth was crucified during the reign of Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor or prefect of Judea, in April, A.D. 30. As best we can determine it was not until seven years after Jesus' death, around A.D. 37, that Paul reports his initial apparition of "Christ," whom he identifies with Jesus raised from the dead."
Not only is he behind me on this one, but it even looks like he is using the same sources I used (and everyone else uses, for that matter).
Actually, the dates depend on which Gospel you use.
Luke says Jesus was born under the administration of Quirinius over Syria, which started in 6 CE. Jesus was "about 30" when he started his ministry after John the Baptist was put into prison. If we fudge what "about 30" means, we can make that as early as 34 CE for the start of his ministry, include three Passover holidays per the Gospel of John and end on 36 CE, just in the nick of time the same year Pilate is recalled to Rome.
These dates all fit together nicely with only one problem. Mary conceived Jesus during the reign of Herod the Great, who died in 4 BCE. This means that Mary must have had a 10 year pregnancy. Well, perhaps those sons of God take longer to bake in the oven, yes?
On the other hand, if we go by the Gospel of John, Jesus would have started his ministry in 27 CE and was crucified in 29 CE. The reason we know this is at the start of JC's ministry, the priests said to him:
Quote:John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Temple construction started in 20 BCE. Considering there is no year 0, that means the argument would have been dated in 27 CE. Allowing for three Passover celebrations places the crucifixion at 29 CE, only 1 year after Luke tells us John the Baptist started his ministry.
For the dates provided by John to make any sense, JtB, would have had to have been an overnight success, shot his mouth off about Antipas' wedding to Herodius and been executed all in the space of 1 year. Then again, John's Gospel has Jesus starting his ministry before JtB was arrested.
Then again, we also have the Gospel of Matthew, which tells us JC was born during the reign of Herod the Great, so he would have been born before 4 CE. This would make him too old to be "about 30" by the time JtB started his ministry in 28 CE and certainly too old by the time John the Baptist was put away into prison.
I guess the 30 CE date is a compromise between all the different Gospel accounts. Yes?
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