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the case against the case against god
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RE: the case against the case against god
(December 4, 2014 at 5:07 am)chris(tnt)rhol Wrote: Has anyone on this forum given any thought as to the kind of evidence which would convince you that god exists?
Before I became an atheist, the answer to that question turned out to be "surprisingly little," seeing as I had accepted the existence of god uncritically from childhood and simply assumed it to be the case. Confirmation bias took care of the rest. It's when I began to try to make a much stronger case for his existence that I realized two things: one, the evidence was sorely lacking and what little did exist was entirely self-serving. Two, it made no sense for the god that I was worshiping to require any level of detective work to find: his own sacred book explained that he was as hands-on as one could imagine.

The evidence that would convince me that god exists... is god. The explanations for his convenient disappearance are unconvincing, especially in light of the way every other religion seems to have had its very active god suddenly pull a Greta Garbo a few centuries before it would have been possible to get a fairly reliable record of his words or actions. Almost as if humanity had finally decided that it'd had enough of gods and relegated nearly all of them to storybooks.

Call me when god shows up. Not when he draws the virgin Mary on a window using grime and dust, or when he shapes a cloud into something almost resembling an angel, or when you make a decision that you swear must have been guided by some unseen hand, or whatever else it is that serves as sufficient evidence to convince 99% of the people who believe in a god that they have zero actual evidence for.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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the case against the case against god - by chris(tnt)rhol - December 4, 2014 at 5:07 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by Alex K - December 4, 2014 at 5:28 am
Re: the case against the case against god - by TubbyTubby - December 4, 2014 at 5:41 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by Cyberman - December 4, 2014 at 5:55 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by Cato - December 4, 2014 at 5:57 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by ManMachine - December 4, 2014 at 6:44 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 4, 2014 at 7:07 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by Tonus - December 4, 2014 at 7:22 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by TreeSapNest - December 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by The Valkyrie - December 4, 2014 at 2:47 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Minimalist - December 4, 2014 at 2:53 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by abaris - December 4, 2014 at 3:10 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by TreeSapNest - December 4, 2014 at 3:28 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by The Valkyrie - December 4, 2014 at 7:36 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by SteelCurtain - December 4, 2014 at 7:52 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by ManMachine - December 4, 2014 at 9:23 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by MysticKnight - December 4, 2014 at 9:54 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Esquilax - December 5, 2014 at 12:02 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by MysticKnight - December 5, 2014 at 7:30 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Esquilax - December 6, 2014 at 11:46 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by MysticKnight - December 7, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Simon Moon - December 7, 2014 at 11:56 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by MysticKnight - December 8, 2014 at 4:01 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by TreeSapNest - December 8, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Simon Moon - December 9, 2014 at 9:04 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Grandizer - December 10, 2014 at 2:56 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by Whateverist - December 10, 2014 at 3:03 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by Tonus - December 5, 2014 at 10:52 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by MysticKnight - December 5, 2014 at 7:37 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by abaris - December 5, 2014 at 7:55 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by MysticKnight - December 5, 2014 at 8:00 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Alex K - December 5, 2014 at 8:13 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Thumpalumpacus - December 5, 2014 at 10:04 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by abaris - December 6, 2014 at 8:14 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by Tonus - December 6, 2014 at 1:04 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Whateverist - December 6, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Tonus - December 8, 2014 at 10:41 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by downbeatplumb - December 5, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by MysticKnight - December 5, 2014 at 10:37 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Simon Moon - December 6, 2014 at 12:06 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by downbeatplumb - December 6, 2014 at 5:36 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by Whateverist - December 6, 2014 at 12:17 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 6, 2014 at 5:39 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by Alex K - December 6, 2014 at 5:41 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 6, 2014 at 5:43 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by Alex K - December 6, 2014 at 8:54 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by Simon Moon - December 6, 2014 at 10:35 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 6, 2014 at 1:21 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 6, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Losty - December 6, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Whateverist - December 6, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 6, 2014 at 1:48 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 9:03 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by comet - December 7, 2014 at 2:37 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Alex K - December 8, 2014 at 2:09 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by JuliaL - December 8, 2014 at 2:42 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 8, 2014 at 2:45 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by JuliaL - December 8, 2014 at 3:06 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 8, 2014 at 3:11 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 8, 2014 at 3:31 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Jenny A - December 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by dyresand - December 9, 2014 at 9:34 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by dyresand - December 9, 2014 at 9:21 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Losty - December 9, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by dyresand - December 9, 2014 at 10:02 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by The Valkyrie - December 9, 2014 at 10:04 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by dyresand - December 9, 2014 at 10:06 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by The Valkyrie - December 9, 2014 at 10:07 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Thumpalumpacus - December 9, 2014 at 10:10 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by dyresand - December 9, 2014 at 10:18 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Thumpalumpacus - December 9, 2014 at 10:43 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by dyresand - December 9, 2014 at 10:55 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by Thumpalumpacus - December 9, 2014 at 11:08 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by dyresand - December 10, 2014 at 12:04 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by LivingNumbers - December 9, 2014 at 10:55 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 10, 2014 at 2:10 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 10, 2014 at 3:11 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by Alex K - December 10, 2014 at 4:30 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by Thumpalumpacus - December 10, 2014 at 12:04 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 10, 2014 at 5:18 am
RE: the case against the case against god - by robvalue - December 10, 2014 at 12:06 pm
RE: the case against the case against god - by dyresand - December 10, 2014 at 4:19 pm

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