Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: November 21, 2025, 12:04 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
The problem with prayer
#6
RE: The problem with prayer
To steal an example.

Praying to help find your carkeys often works.

You can find your keys, you get stressed, you start praying, you relax, your mind clears, and you remember where your keys are.

Praying when you are stuck in a well or mine helps.

You pray, you relax, your oxygen use slows down, you live longer for the rescue workers to help out.

These kinds of prayer have beneficial properties, but based on a naturalistic explanation.

Here is what I have a problem with:

Children in countries like Sierra Leone where the vast majority is Muslim or Christian, infant mortality rates are soaring. And I am betting all my money that the mothers of these children pray till their knees are bloody with the most sincere and honoust prayer in the world.

If prayer really helped in these cases, in the midst of all these third world countries where infant mortality are high, some pockets of better success rates should exist where a certain denomination or certain religion rules and medicine is just as scarce as in the other parts of the third world countries. I have never heard of one such instance.
Best regards,
Leo van Miert
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you
Pastafarian
Reply



Messages In This Thread
The problem with prayer - by Darwinian - January 5, 2009 at 7:21 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Kyuuketsuki - January 5, 2009 at 7:46 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by puglover - January 5, 2009 at 8:05 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Dotard - January 5, 2009 at 8:16 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by puglover - January 5, 2009 at 8:21 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by leo-rcc - January 5, 2009 at 8:40 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 10:01 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 5, 2009 at 10:29 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 10:36 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 5, 2009 at 11:34 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Kyuuketsuki - January 5, 2009 at 3:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by chatpilot - January 5, 2009 at 10:50 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 11:19 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 12:07 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 5, 2009 at 12:44 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 1:30 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 5, 2009 at 3:30 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by bozo - January 5, 2009 at 3:39 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 4:00 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by Kyuuketsuki - January 5, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 4:51 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by Kyuuketsuki - January 5, 2009 at 6:46 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by leo-rcc - January 5, 2009 at 4:04 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 6, 2009 at 5:46 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by leo-rcc - January 6, 2009 at 7:53 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by chatpilot - January 6, 2009 at 3:37 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 6, 2009 at 9:48 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 6, 2009 at 9:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 6, 2009 at 12:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 6, 2009 at 12:48 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 6, 2009 at 1:18 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 6, 2009 at 1:50 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 6, 2009 at 3:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by bozo - January 6, 2009 at 3:26 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 6, 2009 at 5:16 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by chatpilot - January 6, 2009 at 10:47 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  On the lunacy of prayer slartibartfast 100 15201 October 12, 2021 at 12:17 am
Last Post: slartibartfast
  Global Prayer To End Atheism Paraselene 60 13779 August 25, 2021 at 8:20 am
Last Post: Brian37
  A prayer to God ... ignoramus 10 2122 May 3, 2019 at 11:17 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Question about prayer. purplepurpose 27 8853 October 4, 2018 at 2:06 pm
Last Post: Drich
  What do you think prayer is? vulcanlogician 44 9821 February 2, 2018 at 4:12 pm
Last Post: emjay
  The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will Aroura 163 61413 June 5, 2017 at 8:54 am
Last Post: Drich
  Can prayer change God's perfect plan? MellisaClarke 217 88225 May 23, 2017 at 8:33 am
Last Post: SteveII
  Prayer Athena777 181 32769 December 13, 2016 at 12:38 pm
Last Post: Asmodee
  is collective prayer any more effective? ReptilianPeon 65 15101 June 14, 2016 at 7:49 pm
Last Post: IATIA
  imprisonment, rioting, killing - over PRAYER drfuzzy 15 5462 October 31, 2015 at 3:56 pm
Last Post: Angrboda



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)