Richard Dawkins Faith In Memes Is As Blind As A Christian's to God

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and if you were to muster the courage to delve further into his work you would find that he is very well versed in evolution. until you know more about him, do not decide for yourself what he knows and what he doesn't. a glance at wikipedia does not bring all the answers.

and i think 'Why would I be interested in his non-meme stuff when I'm not even very impressed with what he wrote on memes' sums up your attitude entirely: if a man isn't agreeable on everything, then he is not agreeable at all.

Get over it. I've never even heard of him before your mention of him. Why would you expect me to be nuts about him like you are? If what you quoted was more interesting, and not as full of misconceptions as it appears, then maybe I would have been interested in other stuff he writes. Or not. It's not reasonable for you to quote someone I've never heard of and then expect me to go chasing after everything he's ever read before having an opinion about the quoted part. Also, where did I declare that he's not agreeable at all? How the fuck would I know that when I'm not interested enough in his other stuff to even know if I agree?

Hahah, you are him, aren't you? The misconception stuff is too similar. Or is it that you are getting all your wrong ideas about memes from him?

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i didn't ask you what mattered in the similarity. i asked you which selection mechanisms didn't matter, cos you said some selection mechanisms didn't matter. also, the selection IS the mechanism. and you say john gray knows nothing of evolution! sheesh.

but ignore all that because i have the final nail in the coffin that proves memetics isn't science. should have done this a long time ago:

the definition of science: (drum roll) knowledge covering general truths of the operation of general laws, as obtained and tested through scientific method [and] concerned with the physical world.

with the PHYSICAL world.

as many of you have said many times, memes are not physical, therefor they are not science.

you've been great.

Oh I almost don't believe it!!! Are you this stubbornly ignorant on purpose? It's the fact that the selection happens, not which particular mechanism it's using that is important in the evolution part of it. Genes use sex mostly, and memes use all the various ways ideas get popular (eg. people like them, or maybe people are forced into them as with theocratic laws, both of these examples result in selection).

Memes, ideas, concepts, beliefs, customs, rituals, all those things are not physically real either, but THEY DO AFFECT THE PHYSICAL WORLD, and are a part of how we behave and interact with it. Think things out please. Behaviours and beliefs can be measured, tracked, analysed, seen statistically, etc.

You have not been great. Tiring though yes, you've been tiring.