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Dawkins loses humanist title
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Dawkins loses humanist title
Richard Dawkins loses ‘humanist of the year’ title over trans comments
theguardian.com
Quote:The American Humanist Association has withdrawn its humanist of the year award from Richard Dawkins, 25 years after he received the honour, criticising the academic and author for “demean[ing] marginalised groups” using “the guise of scientific discourse”.

The AHA honoured Dawkins, whose books include The Selfish Gene and The God Delusion, in 1996 for his “significant contributions” in communicating scientific concepts to the public. On Monday, it announced that it was withdrawing the award, referring to a tweet sent by Dawkins earlier this month, in which he compared trans people to Rachel Dolezal, the civil rights activist who posed as a black woman for years.

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Never liked Dawkins
"Change was inevitable"


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terribly small minded and intolerance of dissension.
An award is given for what had been done, not a perpetual lien to ensure good future behavior, especially if the behavior would not have been considered good at the time when the award was given.
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It's their award
"Change was inevitable"


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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
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For denying that a trans woman isn't chromosomally female and getting vilified for it, Dawkins had his point proved.

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Emotionally based knee jerk reaction.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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As a technicality/nit pick, it is entirely possible, though rare (about one male in 20,000), for a human male to be 'chromasomally female'. Chromosomes aren't the only thing that determines sex in humans, though XX males are sterile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome
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Looks to me like we have two parties in the right on this one. The aha doesn't want to be associated with that rhetoric, and dawkins knew as much.

Like sungula said - it's their club, their prize. Similarly, dawkins mouth, his call.
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(April 21, 2021 at 10:06 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Looks to me like we have two parties in the right on this one.   The aha doesn't want to be associated with that rhetoric, and dawkins knew as much.  

Like sungula said - it's their club, their prize.  Similarly, dawkins mouth, his call.

So AHA is to stand for statements of fact being considered no better or more unimpeachable than mere rhetoric, and the right kind of rhetoric should rightly be considered to trump the wrong kind of facts?    

Prizes from an organization demonstrating such a view besmirches the recipient, especially if the recipient is a scientist.   Taking their prizes back does the scientist recipient a big favor.
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I don't attach a negative value to the term rhetoric, dawkins statement was certainly rhetorical and factual. I prefer to believe that dawkins understood why organizations like the aha would distance themselves - especially since he offered up exactly that?

He entered that arena, he spoke his mind - they did as expected of a public facing club. What is the problem, from either angle, supposed to be here?
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