Rape in the Bible

[FatAndFaithless]

Yes, it's demonstrably more effective. It's not "better" in any sort of cosmic justice objectively-ordained-by-a-cosmic-jury sense, it's better because it works.

Whether it's demonstrable is irrelevant. Even if it works at "creating functioning, safe, stable, and efficient societies," it's still just opinion that such societies are morally good things. Someone else could note that humans in such societies are damaging the earth and so opine that such systems are immoral.

No matter how many levels you take it to, in the end you'll still end up with an opinion.

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It is many orders of magnitude better than the christian bullshit, Johnny. If morality was a school test, secular morality would get a B-, but christian morality woud get a well rounded F.

Depends on who's grading the test.

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You are leaking dogma trough the side of your mouth, mind you and clean that up.

Dogma? No, I'm arguing on the side of objective morality...a position that many atheists also hold. Well, until it turn around and bites them...

I'm not sure what your idea of an 'opinion' is, but a model or system that is supported by data is not a simple guess or opinion, and it's strange that you're so desperate to paint any sort of non-absolute morality as "just your opinion", seeing as your morality (I would assume) comes by flat assertion from the 'opinions' of a single source.