RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 2)
December 12, 2014 at 8:21 pm
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2014 at 8:44 pm by His_Majesty.)
(December 12, 2014 at 6:54 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Not about to do a line-by-line for this one (outstanding job, Jenny), but this bit leapt out at me:
Quote:Because only someone living during that time would know certain FACTS regarding the time and location...these facts include cultural customs, historical figures, and even the "nature" of things during the time.
This is so bad, it isn't even wrong.
So, you feel there's no such thing as historical writing? By your standard, if I were to write about the Great Hunger (the Irish 'famine') - a period I know quite a lot about - you would necessarily conclude that I lived during that time.
Boru
Yeah, it may not be in your best interest for you to do a line for line...otherwise your intellect will get exposed for what it is...like how you think you are making such a magnificent point regarding the Great Hunger...when you fail to realize that for you to know anything about it, you would have had to either lived through it, or have spoken to someone that DID live through it...otherwise, you wouldn't know squat about it....which basically harmonizes with what I said about the Gospel narratives.
So what is this grand point you were attempting to make here??
(December 12, 2014 at 7:10 pm)Luckie Wrote: Talk about building houses on sand! You can't just point to a hundred page thread and bald assert that you've successfully done anything in that thread without pointing to the point at which you believe you successfully did "it".
I gave my personal assessment, based on what I've presented, the objections to what I presented, and my response to the objections of what I presented.
(December 12, 2014 at 7:10 pm)Luckie Wrote: Please, for the love of intellectual honestly, show me where you believe you "succeeded at making a case for and successfully defended the historical evidence supporting Jesus of Nazareth's existence in human history."
I believe I succeeded by providing the same sources that leaves the majority of all historians convinced that Jesus of Nazareth existed.
(December 12, 2014 at 7:57 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Stopped reading at the first lie.
In other words "I stopped reading because I want to remain ignorant and die and ultimately stand face to face with the Almighty, the one of whom I rejected for x amount of years on earth."
(December 12, 2014 at 7:57 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I thought lying was a sin. Anyone got a handy-dandy biblical reference for that?
How is giving a personal opinion a lie?
You know, it kind of reminds me of the movie Fire Down Below with Steven Seagal...long story short, this millionaire in the movie is dumping toxic waste in this small country town, and Seagal's character brought him to justice...and Seagal wants the millionaire's son to testify against him at trial...and after roughing up the son's friends at their hangout/bar...Seagal said to the son (paraphrasing)...
"I want you to testify against your father...now, you can do it because you know it is the only way you can save your ass, or you can do it because it is the right thing to do. I really don't give a shit, but you are going to do it."
Kinda reminds me of what is going on here...you can acknowledge the fact that Jesus is Lord and Savior because the Holy Spirit is eating away at you on the inside...or you can acknowledge the fact that Jesus is Lord and Savior on judgement day when you stand before him...I really don't give a shit...but you are going to acknowledge him.
(December 12, 2014 at 8:14 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Because, supposedly, he has the most important message for all of humanity. A message that everyone must get correct, or end up being punished for eternity.
Why would a god not want to communicate this message in the most accurate, least likely to be prone to errors, misinterpretations, mistranslations possible?
Instead he uses languages that he knew would know will die out, dictated to one of the most illiterate societies of the time, who wait for decades or centuries to record any of it.
Not very good long term thinking by a god that should know better.
No doubt, trust me, I understand what you are saying, and my theory is that he used illiterate people because he knew that despite all of the illiteracy, all of the persecution, all of the trials and tribulations, the message would still get out, and eventually become the world's largest religion by numbers of followers.
So in other words, all of those things you mentioned did nothing to stop the Christian foundation, spread, and growth. God knew what he was doing.
