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[Godscreated]

Thanks Watson that was a good explanation, even though Shell B did not understand what you were saying it made perfect sense.

So. . . because I disagree, I don't understand? Nice.

I read your statement to Watson again and I see that your reply is a disagreement with what Watson had to say I should not have read through it so fast the first time. Sorry Shell B.

What I was saying to CoolBoy about asking God for the things he mentioned and God granting them, a person would continue to ask for more and more until they would rely on God for everything in their lives thus giving up their freewill. People are just to greedy to have a genie in the bottle so to speak. Hope this make sense.

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EvF what kind of evidence are you asking for, just look all around you, where do you think all that matter came from. Do you believe that it just manifested itself, now that would be a hard one to swallow.

Ever considered the possibility that the universe always existed in one form or another? Which is more believable? The universe had always existed in one form or another or some big magical man created it out of nothing?

Neither, God is a supernatural being, not a man, not by any stretch of the imagination. How does matter form itself out of nothing? Do you believe the universe has always existed? What is believable is that an all powerful, all knowing, ever present God created the universe out of nothing. To me believing that the universe has always existed would take a ton of faith far more than I have.

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Godschild -

I'm not really familiar with the bible. Does it actually say in genesis that god created out of nothing? I've read the first bit (before it gets really hard to understand) but I can't remember anything about god creating from nothing. If it does say it somewhere, which bit is it?

If you are not familiar with the Bible how is it that you can identify yourself with Christ that makes no sense to me. The OT is a fore telling of Christ. The NT is about who He is and why He came to earth. This is basic knowledge for christians.

The first verse in Genesis says that God created the heaven (space) and the earth (matter) before this nothing as we can understand it existed.