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Atheists turning to cult behaviour?
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour?
(December 17, 2014 at 5:22 am)SoFarEast Wrote: Yeah. No one can just have "Atheism".

So true it doesn't even require capitalization.

(December 17, 2014 at 3:15 am)SoFarEast Wrote: Each has extensions.

Now you're getting into a tricky area. Extensions of atheism, or extensions of atheists?

(December 17, 2014 at 3:15 am)SoFarEast Wrote: There are scientific atheists, rational atheists but also fascist atheists, racist atheists.

Yep. But not scientific atheism, rational atheism, fascist atheism, or racist atheism.

(December 17, 2014 at 3:15 am)SoFarEast Wrote: But the problem I feel is the generic idea of atheism which everyone claims to identify with is pure non belief.

Yet you seem to acknowledge that it is factually the case that atheism is not believing in real supernatural deities, so it's unclear why this is a problem for you.

(December 17, 2014 at 3:15 am)SoFarEast Wrote: Yet, the extensions are inevitable.

None of what you described is an extension of atheism. Christianity is not an 'extension' of theism, it's a theistic religion. Black clothes are not an 'extension' of blackness, they're just clothes that are black. Theism is ALSO nothing more than believing that at least one supernatural deity is real and doesn't say anything at all about a person's morality or political stances or, really, much of anything at all. You learn a LOT more about a theist when you learn what ELSE they are. In a more reasonable world, people would no more assume they know your other opinions if they know you're an atheist than they would assume they know all about you if all they know is that you're a theist. But that's not the world we live in. 'Atheist' is a meaningful identity precisely because SO many people don't understand that it's no more than it is. Even other atheists are often confused about it.

(December 17, 2014 at 3:15 am)SoFarEast Wrote: Why not append the emptiness of pure atheism into something meaningful?

Everybody who is an atheist...and I mean EVERYBODY...does. So do theists. Pure theism is nearly meaning-free, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's not supposed to carry loads of meaning. Why should atheism be different in that regard?

(December 17, 2014 at 3:15 am)SoFarEast Wrote: But when an atheist indulges in bad behavior in the name of freedom, and when others say it's not my problem "I'm just a non believer". How do you deal with that?

Rather than holding anyone who happens to agree with that person on one single thing responsible, I address the person behaving badly myself.

(December 17, 2014 at 3:15 am)SoFarEast Wrote: I'm clueless too as to what the solution is.

To humans sometimes being mean? There isn't one that's ethical to impose.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 3:15 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Esquilax - December 17, 2014 at 3:19 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 3:26 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 3:29 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 3:40 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Tonus - December 17, 2014 at 6:37 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 8:53 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 8:57 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 3:43 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 11:49 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 3:38 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 3:45 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 3:46 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 4:02 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Silver - December 17, 2014 at 4:09 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 4:21 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by abaris - December 17, 2014 at 4:54 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 5:06 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 7:55 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 9:23 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 3:27 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 12:13 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 12:20 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 4:06 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 4:13 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 12:40 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 4:09 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 4:20 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 4:34 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by downbeatplumb - December 17, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 1:03 pm
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RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by ManMachine - December 17, 2014 at 4:55 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 4:59 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 5:22 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 2:03 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 5:10 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 5:28 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by CapnAwesome - December 17, 2014 at 5:25 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 5:26 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 5:34 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 7:37 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 3:08 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 9:15 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 3:59 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 18, 2014 at 12:57 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 22, 2014 at 1:14 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 6:40 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 7:53 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 7:57 am
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RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 8:00 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 8:11 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 8:13 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 8:24 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 8:32 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 8:35 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by FatAndFaithless - December 17, 2014 at 8:35 am
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RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Spooky - December 17, 2014 at 9:00 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 9:02 am
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RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 9:36 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 9:45 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 9:48 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 10:00 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by abaris - December 17, 2014 at 10:10 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 4:43 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 18, 2014 at 9:19 am
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RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 9:22 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Alex K - December 17, 2014 at 9:24 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 9:41 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Mister Agenda - December 17, 2014 at 4:13 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by dyresand - December 17, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 9:24 am
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RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by Tonus - December 17, 2014 at 10:51 am
RE: Atheists turning to cult behaviour? - by SoFarEast - December 17, 2014 at 11:37 am
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