Atheists turning to cult behaviour?

[SoFarEast]

Mister Agenda : Thanks again for taking the time to reply. I shall reply starting from the end if that's ok.

And I'm not saying an all male leadership implies misogyny. I went to a few atheist conventions where the women speakers were not taken seriously, not a bit. Isn't this sexist?

It IS sexist. You went to the convention you're speaking of and I didn't. What did you do about it? Even if you just complained to the organizers, that would be something. Approaching one of the speakers who wasn't taken seriously to reassure her that some people at least took her seriously and asking for her input on how the situation could be improved and taking that feedback to someone with influence over how things are done at that convention would be another.

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I hope that can explain my skewed opinion. As such a lot of people here look up to Dawkins and Harris, and I hoped they'd set a better example.

A lot of people here? I'm not so sure that's true. Maybe you could do a poll.

I did talk to the speaker and by here I meant where I live. But this is problem, none of this has anything to do with what I said.

Firstly, I should have refrained from stating where I'm from, or from giving examples of assholes I've encountered. And secondly, I'm not asking for help on what to do about people online or at these conventions.

Also I don't know why people need a context to my argument, or keep asking me "What I want" or "What I did". When arguing with theists it seems sufficient to make fairly abstract arguments like paradoxes.

Considering how prone statements are to misinterpretation, I'll try to be exact.

- Atheists contend : There are no valid reasons to believe in god. Theism is irrational. A rational person must identify as an atheist.
- Given atheism is only about disbelief, each atheist identifies or seeks to identify with something else.
- There are good reasons to be humanist. Alternately, a society that evolves with humanist principles is superior to a society where everyone acts according to a self defined morality. A rational person must identify as a humanist.
- An atheist therefore must also identify as a humanist.

Here's what I ask, do you agree with the third point?

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But on reflection I don't think this is in any way to do with atheism, just to do with dickheads, some of which happen to be atheist.

And why do you have to point this out? I thought we were past that.

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If your understanding of the source of misogyny was as complete as you claim, then why did you ask "Or what else explains this?" in your opening post? Your admirable crusade against misogyny is noble; however, your tactics are quixotic at best.

I understand why we have misogyny in my region. I wanted to address why it persisted in atheists, even though they express a repulsion to the same. That's why "What else explains this?". My reason for doing so was hoping to establish that the identification with pure atheism is inadequate for a person and they end up looking elsewhere, most often closer to home.

You should probably stay away from anti-misogyny recruitment drives if your method consists of finding a group of people you think should/would support your cause and proceed to immediately implicate them in misogynistic complicity based on their one shared characteristic. This is more confounding if I'm generous enough to believe you know the source of misogyny; evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

I don't remember seeking support. Thanks anyway.

If your aim is to truly call attention to, raise awareness of, and participate in the creation of solutions to misogyny, why did you choose to rail against anonymous online opinions and conference bad behavior rather than soliciting ideas about the well documented severe manifestations found in India and elsewhere? A little off the mark in my opinion. It's hard for me to understand your purpose with all of this knowing the state of affairs where you are.

I don't get why you need to see the purpose of my posting here.

It's as if you are attempting to extract a speck of fly shit from a boxcar of ground pepper while the train is coming off the tracks.

Whatever man. Stay happy.