Evangelical Alliance: "We aren't homophobic women-haters"

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So your position is that because I believe homosexual relations are sinful that I hate homosexuals? And because I believe a woman should not be a pastor that means I hate women? So far, I've never advanced the position that people should be denied the right to have homosexual relations or women denied the right to be pastors in a church that allows it. Why do you assume something that you don't know about?

No, my position is that you're not absolved of responsibility for the opinions you hold just because you're just following orders. You may not hate women and gays, but the opinions you hold of them are hateful ones, and you don't get to be free of the consequences of those opinions just by saying "oh, they're not my hateful opinions! They're god's hateful opinions!"

Regardless of how you came to your views, they're still your views, and whether you've frontloaded those views with genuine, rabid hate, or with deference to an authority that you feel holds those views, they are what they are. To say that the homophobic, misogynistic views you hold aren't either of those things because you don't literally fear gay people or hate women, when the views themselves look, sound, and achieve the effects of misogyny and homophobia, then what you're engaged in is sophistry, not some form of effective correction.

If you want to call a union between two dogs marriage you can. I jut said that I think it's wrong to change the meaning of an institution that is sacred to so many.

And as I've pointed out before, the sacredness of an idea, the attachment that you personally have to it, does not confer ownership over that idea to you. You know this, because you wouldn't bend over backwards in support of any of my examples of sacred beliefs, you just expect other people to do it for you.

It's special pleading, plain and simple.

Additionally, that crack about dogs is ridiculous and offensive, and you said it in such a blase, thoughtless way, yet you distance yourself from homophobia?