(December 19, 2014 at 1:35 pm)Lek Wrote:(December 19, 2014 at 3:19 am)Esquilax Wrote: I live with two christians. My in-laws are christians. Some of the people I respect most in the world, old friends whom I still talk to today, are christians. I don't hate christians, but I freely admit to hating some of the beliefs that christianity tries its hardest to engender, and I won't be shamed for that. Some ideas are despicable, they deserve to be reviled. I'm sure you're with me, for example, in hating the idea of racism, or slavery.
No doubt you've taken my last statement and are attempting to find some way to spin it to justify your christian views, but you can stop with that right now. How do we determine which ideas are sufficiently negative to be hated? Rational justification is the first step, and it's also the step at which any christian claim fails: you're not going to be able to say that you revile sins like homosexuality in the way I've just described, because the justification for that (god wants it) does not pass even basic tests of rationality until you can demonstrate a god, his opinions, his authority, and the rational justification for those last two as well.
So let me get this straight. You live with two christians and have christian in-laws. You hate some of the views of christianity, but don't hate christians. That's okay. I have a homosexual brother and work with a homosexual whom I like and get along with well. I don't hate homosexuals, but I hate homosexual behavior. That's not okay. Is it because christianity is deserving of condemnation, but homosexual behavior is not?
Wow, you did precisely what I advised you not to do, even after my explanation of why you shouldn't.
The reason hating homosexuality or homosexual behavior is wrong, while hating certain christian tenets is okay, is because the former has no rational justification, while the latter does. In short, I hate specific christian tenets for reasons that are readily demonstrable- the bigotry, hate, violence and oppression that those beliefs can instil is well known, and hence easy to hate- while the reasons you use to justify your hatred of homosexual behavior (that god deemed it a sin) is not readily demonstrable in any respect, and hence not justifiable.
The reasons why you come to your opinions about something matter. In my case, I have good reasons. You do not, until you can demonstrate your god, his authority, that the bible reflects his opinions, and why those opinions should be followed.
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