MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)

[DeistPaladin]

Due to limited time, I'm just going to address the babbling nonsense of the Trinity for now and get to the mental gymnastics you performed to try to reconcile all the different resurrection accounts later.

Duh, we already established that they are separate beings, which in itself is not a disqualification of being God. Next...

So, is there one god or are there three?

You can't have it both ways. Either Christianity is monotheistic or it's polytheistic.

If Jesus is a "separate being" from his father god then he's not the same being, by definition. This makes him a god separate from his father, his father being a greater god perhaps but a separate god.

The subordination is just the rank and or roles between the two, that says nothing about Deity.

If they have different "ranks" and "roles", they are separate beings and so different gods. One is a lesser god and the other a greater god. So Christianity is polytheistic.

If, on the other hand, they are the same god, they can't have separate wills and one can't be subordinate to the other. They'd be the same person. It's like you lording over yourself. So Jesus doesn't just talk to himself, he tells himself to do things he doesn't want to do.

Can there be a better qualification of a particularly dangerous form of insanity? So he's a crazy god then?

The attribute of omniscience was given to Jesus in John 21:15-17, after Jesus asked Peter three times do he love him, and after the third time Peter said "Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you". Jesus didn't say "I don't know all things, Peter, only the Father knows all things", he simply accepted the attribute because it was true.

So if Jesus doesn't know what his father knows, he's a separate being and thus a lesser god. If he's part of the same being, he'd share the same body of knowledge.

Perhaps you're suggesting that your god has multiple personality disorder?We could add that to the list of psychological problems Yahweh has.

That was just Jesus' way of saying "If there is a less painful way for me to do this, then please, may I do it that way?"

Do you see where this is insane?

He's talking to himself, asking himself if there's any way he can convince himself to change a rule he made in the first place and forgive us all for being such sinful beings (which we are because an ancestor of ours who was made from a rib ate a magic fruit after speaking with a talking snake but I digress). His alternate personality told him no, that he had to make himself bleed and die on a cross because otherwise there's no way he could convince himself to forgive us.

So Jesus is hearing voices telling him to do suicidal things? Voices that are him but not?

This is barking madness.

If Jesus lived his whole life without sin, how is that not good?

Because of how "sin" is defined. Since "sin" is acting contrary to the will of your god and Jesus is your god then Jesus wills what he wills and does what he does. This is a meaningless tautology.

The Father is speaking in reference to the Son, no problems there.

...in third person. So he's a separate being and thus a separate god.

He is both God and man.

Contradiction. Which is he?

He is God in the body of a human.

So Jesus is God in a human suit then? This is the ancient pagan concept of the "avatar". When gods come to earth, they assume a human form. The human form is but a shell, a vehicle and nothing more. So Jesus should then know all God knows and will what God wills.

If Jesus has an inferior set of knowledge and a subordinate will, he's not God in the body of a human.

Doesn't matter, all we need is one Gospel to say it, and John does...and the union is very clear..all you have to do is read John 1:1, and unless you have a New World's Translation of the scriptures (Jehovah Witness's bible), it is very clear.

The point is the earliest of the Gospels make it clear Jesus is a separate being with a subordinate will and an inferior set of knowledge who refers to his father in 3rd person and prays to him in 2nd person.

Later, the ideas of developing Christianity would be reworked to try to resolve the issue of a divine intercessor who forgives sins with a strict Jewish monotheistic view who's god doesn't tolerate that. Thus the Gospel of John was written.

Second, the fact that Jesus lived a perfectly sinless life implies that he is God, as that is a something that only God can do.

A meaningless tautology since all you're saying is Jesus wills what he wills and does what he does.

Makes sense to me and everyone else that believes in the Holy Trinity.

Great! Explain it then.

If you can't explain it, you don't understand it.