RE: Evangelical Alliance: "We aren't homophobic women-haters"
December 19, 2014 at 9:54 pm
(This post was last modified: December 19, 2014 at 10:39 pm by Lek.)
(December 19, 2014 at 8:45 pm)Jenny A Wrote: You're awfully confident for a man with this sort of material to work from:
Quote:Not all flesh is alike, but there is one flesh for human beings, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40 There are both heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one thing, and that of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; indeed, star differs from star in glory.1 Corinthians 39-54 NRSV
42 So it is with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable, what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first, but the physical, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we will also bear the image of the man of heaven.
50 What I am saying, brothers and sisters, is this: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I will tell you a mystery! We will not all die, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on imperishability, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When this perishable body puts on imperishability, and this mortal body puts on immortality
Especially when there are contrasting verses like these:
Quote:And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,Mathew 27:51-53
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
One sounds pretty spiritual and the other, like Jesus and his nail holes, rather original body fleshy.
I'm confident we'll be raised with imperishable bodies. I can't envision every detail. I tend to think it would be a body similar to Jesus' body after he was raised from the dead, being able to walk through walls and such. I don't see the nail holes as imperfections but rather something to be worn as a badge of honor. Those who came out of their graves after the crucifixion were not raised as on the day of the final judgement, but rather like Lazarus who was brought back to an earthly life.
(December 19, 2014 at 5:06 pm)Nope Wrote: According to the bible, your god doesn't change.
Is this moral to you
Samuel 15
Quote:5 Samuel also said to Saul, “The Lord sent me to anoint you king over His people, over Israel. Now therefore, heed the voice of the words of the Lord. 2 Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt. 3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
Saul lost god's favor because he didn't kill a few sheep and the king Agag
Before you tell us that your god is moral, have you actually read your bible?
God had a plan to use Israel to bring forth the messiah. In order to accomplish that, the Jewish nation had to be kept alive. The Amalekites opposed Israel at every turn and were bent on their destruction. It is highly probable that Haman the Agagite (Esther 3:1), who almost accomplished the total destruction of all the Jews in Persia, was a descendant of King Agag whom Saul spared.
God punished the Amalekites by wiping out their nation. You guys always want to use logic, so let's do that. How much of a punishment was a quick death? He punishes every single living person with death; not just the Amalekites. Which is the worse punishment; the quick death of an Amalekite child or the long-suffering death of a young American child from leukemia? How was he more cruel to the Amalkites than he is to anyone else? If I could pick my mode of death, other than dying in my sleep or unconsciousness, a quick death by the sword would be high on my list.