RE: Is free will real?
December 22, 2014 at 11:16 pm
(This post was last modified: December 22, 2014 at 11:47 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 22, 2014 at 9:25 pm)bennyboy Wrote:Yup.(December 22, 2014 at 8:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You won't find "Ferrarri particles" floating around either-and yet there are Ferrarris.If there are no people to see the Ferrari, but rather a troupe of monkeys, is it still a Ferrari, or even a car?
Quote: Or is it just a bunch of hard, shiny red stuff? You insist that the Ferrari exists. But it exists AS A FERRARI only to people.As I said, that which we call a rose...
Quote:Do you think a snake looks at your mom and sees hugs and apple pie?Unlikely.
Quote: Do you think amoeba look at your life and are jealous of your liberty?Even more unlikely.
Quote:ALL these things are real only as ideas, and all these ideas are based on the context of the human experience-- what it feels like to live a human life. And this "what it's like" very clearly includes the sense that we are free agents, making willful decisions about how to live our lives.Magicians pull rabbits out of the hats in our experience as well...very clearly. Something tells me you don't have trouble wielding a finer blade when it's hats and rabbits, rather than free will. Somethings going on there, yeah - something real is actually happening...but you probably don't think that the experience is indicative of reality, right? I think it's a pretty fair bet to accept that even though not everything we experience is actually -happening-..some of the things we experience are, and some of the things we experience -are happening- but most likely not -as we experience them-. There's just no all or nothing in this for me. Keep our experience of free will or toss it and apple pie, mom, hugs, liberty and shiny red cars remain untouched.
@Blackout, you wouldn't actually have to give up your legal system, and it;s likely that a serviceable justification already exists within your legal system even if there were no free will (and there would be - for those types of infractions which we don't figure free will factors into much - crimes of passion or strange shit done by damaged people). Instead of punishing you're simply protecting or removing. Instead of it being a choice they made it's an event which occurred and should be prevented if possible. It's not difficult at all, to conceive of law without free will. A bit different, but not always, and amusingly familiar in most scenarios.
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