RE: Any Theists on AF, I Challenge You to a Debate on the Existence of God
December 28, 2014 at 8:12 pm
(This post was last modified: December 28, 2014 at 8:13 pm by fr0d0.)
(December 28, 2014 at 7:41 pm)IATIA Wrote:(December 28, 2014 at 6:29 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: In your mind, perhaps.If there were a god, it would have to be timeless.
Please explain
If this god were timeless, then everything would have to be at once without causality.
If everything just is, then there is no need for a god.
If god was not timeless, it would have to have a first thought, ergo a beginning. What gave this god a beginning?
A god with limits is not a god.
A god without limits is an infinite god and that is impossible because nothing can be aware of an infinity, so this god could not be fully aware of itself.
This god would have to have infinite power, i.e., infinite energy. Again, impossible.
If this god were to exist in either form, then science, logic and reasoning become useless and invalid.
That's a mess
(December 28, 2014 at 7:42 pm)Nope Wrote:(December 28, 2014 at 7:24 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: Do you believe that God affects anything? Does he answer prayers? Does he improve the character of Christians? Does he help find car keys?
Do you believe the Bible is inerrant? Do you believe your church's traditions are correct?
I'm sure there are lots of things you believe that contradict science or logic. Plus you ought to use critical thinking. Atheism is a much simpler explanation for reality than Christianity.
(December 28, 2014 at 6:29 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: In your mind, perhaps.Are we talking about Christianity or just the idea of god in general?
Please explain
If we are talking about Christianity, the idea that Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine or came back to life and shot up into the sky in full view of his followers defies logic and science.. That is why Christians call those supposed events miracles, right?
So, it isn't true that you have zero beliefs that contradict science and logic.
All that contradicts science is your interpretation. You're assuming my interpretation is the same as yours.