RE: Any Theists on AF, I Challenge You to a Debate on the Existence of God
December 28, 2014 at 9:04 pm
(This post was last modified: December 28, 2014 at 9:17 pm by fr0d0.)
(December 28, 2014 at 8:48 pm)abaris Wrote:(December 28, 2014 at 8:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Prove it
No, you tell us on what you base your logic for the existence of god. You claim to base your knowledge on the same premises as we all do. You have to throw some of your knowledge overboard to allow logic to arrive at something supernatural defying natural laws.
I'm asking for proof of a positive claim. He made it, let him defend it.
Obviously in not claiming any compromise of natural laws.
(December 28, 2014 at 8:53 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote:(December 28, 2014 at 8:25 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: With respect, I shall wait for doodles response, as I don't want to repeat myself. It would be rude to carry on without him, even though these might be his questions exactly. I'll wait for him to confirm that.
Those are similar to my questions.
Here is a thread where I asked for ideas about how supernatural could interface to natural scientifically. Alex K suggested that supernatural could utilize the randomness in quantum mechanics.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-30172.html
Even if we allow that supernatural could affect natural, shouldn't there be some evidence of this effect? I know it is difficult, because any failure can be excused by saying "the Lord works in mysterious ways."
In my case the slow, stumbling evolution of Judaism and Christainity makes me skeptical about divine inspiration. How do you feel about that issue?
How much do you trust the narratives in the gospels? How much is factual? What do you think Jesus meant by the title "Son of Man"? Have you read Bart Ehrman's books about the gospels?
Your question on the natural link to the supernatural breaks my logic conditions. You're going to have to prove to me logically how the supernatural and natural could interact.
I'm not saying that that's impossible, I'm just saying that without a toolkit to match that of a supernatural entity, we are I'll equipped.
The slow stumbling evolution of world faiths is evidence of a slow understanding of divinity. Christianity is in my opinion simply the last evolutionary step in that direction. It may be superseded.
I've read mins posts for several years so I feel that I know Bart Ehrman personally. I garnish that with a modest sprinkling of opposing views and come to the conclusion that I do. Factual isn't a label I put on the Bible. I know why I use it and it's purpose.
