RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
January 2, 2015 at 10:07 am
(This post was last modified: January 2, 2015 at 10:50 am by Dystopia.)
I will just say this - If you are an atheist and you support gender equality, then you are a feminist/pro-feminist, saying you are not is not going to change the fact that you are, just like you are a democract if you support democracy and a republican if you support republic as a form of government (I'm not using republican and democrat referring to the American parties).
I used to be one of those anti-feminist males (the majority of them are male, curiously) until I read some feminist blogs and news sites full of rational positions and evidence to back up claims - I changed my mind. Saying equality has been achieved, specially when the majority of people claiming that are males, is a very naive position to have. The so called extreme feminists or feminazis are a minority in the middle of all pro equality feminists, and many people are surprised upon realizing that they care about Men's problems too (such as, but not only, male rape being made fun of or gender stereotypes that affect men) - Feminism brings advantages to both, as a male feminist ideals bring me less gender stereotyping and don't make my value depend upon archaic concepts of masculinity - It also highlights the importance of reducing sexism in relationships and therefore contributing to ideas that make my relationship much better.
Many of those extreme positions are only propagated by sites like reddit or 9gag, or tumblr, full of angry young men who for some reason think feminism is clearly making their lives a living hell since being nice to girls doesn't entitle them to have sex... I think I'm going to vomit
Calling yourself not a feminist but an eglitarian is like saying "I'm not an atheists, I just don't believe in gods" or saying "I'm not an atheist, just an agnostic", it's just fear of being associated with the word. I think atheists can learn something from feminist extremists - Every wondered why are there so many people who think atheist "fundamentalists" are equally as bad, and that atheists on the internet are bad people or that atheists are becoming as intolerant as fundie theists? Because there are atheists everywhere, from the internet to real life that spend their lives (outside of Atheist Forums) bashing religion and insulting religious people for no other reason than being religions, the kind of people who hear someone say "god bless you" and reply "NO NO I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT BULLSHIT FUCK YOUR GOD AND BIBLE!" - So I'm asking - Do you think criticism directed towards atheism labelling it as an extreme ideology that equals groups like Islamic terrorists and so on is fair just because there are some douchebags? Probably not, and that's the same line of reasoning we ought to apply to feminism, the minority shouldn't define what the movement actually means
I think the word "feminism" is unpopular and the reason many people don't label themselves as such - If the word had been "equality" or "egalitarianism" from the beginning, most people wouldn't be anti-egalitarian or anti-equality . I think we should use Emma Watson's words that it's not really about the word but the idea behind it.
OP I have an interesting question - Do you think it is rational to be a feminist and religious at the same time or are the two positions not compatible?
Welcome!
I used to be one of those anti-feminist males (the majority of them are male, curiously) until I read some feminist blogs and news sites full of rational positions and evidence to back up claims - I changed my mind. Saying equality has been achieved, specially when the majority of people claiming that are males, is a very naive position to have. The so called extreme feminists or feminazis are a minority in the middle of all pro equality feminists, and many people are surprised upon realizing that they care about Men's problems too (such as, but not only, male rape being made fun of or gender stereotypes that affect men) - Feminism brings advantages to both, as a male feminist ideals bring me less gender stereotyping and don't make my value depend upon archaic concepts of masculinity - It also highlights the importance of reducing sexism in relationships and therefore contributing to ideas that make my relationship much better.
Many of those extreme positions are only propagated by sites like reddit or 9gag, or tumblr, full of angry young men who for some reason think feminism is clearly making their lives a living hell since being nice to girls doesn't entitle them to have sex... I think I'm going to vomit
Calling yourself not a feminist but an eglitarian is like saying "I'm not an atheists, I just don't believe in gods" or saying "I'm not an atheist, just an agnostic", it's just fear of being associated with the word. I think atheists can learn something from feminist extremists - Every wondered why are there so many people who think atheist "fundamentalists" are equally as bad, and that atheists on the internet are bad people or that atheists are becoming as intolerant as fundie theists? Because there are atheists everywhere, from the internet to real life that spend their lives (outside of Atheist Forums) bashing religion and insulting religious people for no other reason than being religions, the kind of people who hear someone say "god bless you" and reply "NO NO I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT BULLSHIT FUCK YOUR GOD AND BIBLE!" - So I'm asking - Do you think criticism directed towards atheism labelling it as an extreme ideology that equals groups like Islamic terrorists and so on is fair just because there are some douchebags? Probably not, and that's the same line of reasoning we ought to apply to feminism, the minority shouldn't define what the movement actually means
I think the word "feminism" is unpopular and the reason many people don't label themselves as such - If the word had been "equality" or "egalitarianism" from the beginning, most people wouldn't be anti-egalitarian or anti-equality . I think we should use Emma Watson's words that it's not really about the word but the idea behind it.
OP I have an interesting question - Do you think it is rational to be a feminist and religious at the same time or are the two positions not compatible?
Welcome!
(January 2, 2015 at 12:54 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: I don't care for radical feminism. I think making accusations of "rape culture" and "gender genocide" undermines the laudable goal of gender equality. I suspect radical feminists don't really care about gender equality, and that means they will not get my support, and I certainly don't care, as an atheist, to be associated with their message.Maybe accusations of rape culture would stop coming out if victim blaming and extreme pity people have for rapists stopped existing... Ever heard a comment like Oh she had short clothes, that was a deserved rape.
(January 2, 2015 at 12:44 am)Surgenator Wrote: Egalitarianism is defined as gender equality not feminism. Feminism focus is womens right which are being infringed on. Ido support feminist causes but don't classify myself as a feminist. This is because of the extremist who are small but very vocal.Did you know that feminists care about men's problems too? You probably don't because you're making a generalization of the movement without having met, talked to or read articles from a rational pro-equality feminism.
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