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Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
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Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
Correct me if I am wrong? The purpose of free will is so that we can freely chose to love god. Because the Christian god is so dazzlingly wonderful, if he physically introduced himself, we would automatically love him and he wants us to have the freedom to reject or accept him.

However, Lucifer lived in heaven and knew god but rejected him. So did several of the angels who followed Satan instead of god.

There are incidents in the Old Testament of individuals talking to god. Was their free will to accept or reject god destroyed because of their direct observations of the Hebrew god.? God not only talked to Abraham, he debated with him the number of righteous people who would turn aside his anger against Sodom and Gomorrah. In Exodus chapter 33 it says that Moses spoke to god face to face

11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.


My question is why is free will necessary only for modern people and not bronze aged nomads or the angels?
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Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 2, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by robvalue - January 2, 2015 at 11:28 am
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