RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
January 2, 2015 at 4:00 pm
(This post was last modified: January 2, 2015 at 4:02 pm by Dystopia.)
Quote:The men who say shit like that are an extremely small minority, nowadays, and when such is uttered by a public figure they are rightfully excoriated. How, then, does that translate into an entire culture which supports the rape of women? The vast majority of men that I know do not trivialize rape. The vast majority of men I know don't deny that rape is a serious crime. The vast majority of men I know feel no sympathy for rapists.Not only men, rape culture is aimed at women who trivialize rape as well, let's not forget that. Regardless of that, your personal experience tells me nothing about it. First of all, rape culture is about men and women, given that male rape victims are mocked and laughed at, which is a shameful and disgusting social reaction. Second, rape culture is about subconscious or indirect messages that trivialize rape, not only about people explicitly saying "I'm against rape" - For instance, why do some news make it very important about describing how the victim was dressed, or how much she drank? Why are rape jokes so popular when they can actually hurt people who've been sexually assaulted? Why is rape thrown vulgarly in series like GOT as an entertainment strategy and not as something awful that leads to character development? Why do most rapists not get reported, and when they do, most are not sentenced? Why do myths about rape or misconceptions - Like the ones that tells us rape happen outside of home when in fact most sexual assault acts happen in a relationship, in a place where the victim once felt safe and with someone they trusted - Still exist? You want a personal example too? I'll tell you this one - Once a 14 year old got raped in my country, I checked out a news website and the comment box was full of people saying "what was she thinking it'd happen when she drank that much" or "why did she wear that and expected to not be assaulted" or "why do you complain when it's your fault and you could have prevented it"

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Quote:I don't like it when someone assumes that because I'm a man, I'm blithe to the crime of rape. Not only is such an assumption untrue, it's unfair. Yet radical feminists are happy to sling shit like that simply on the basis of what's in my tacklebox. Sloppy thinking is sloppy thinking, and unfariness is unfairness.That's terribly unfair and the claim that someone is a rapist for being a man is completely irrational, however how many feminists really claim that and how representative are they of the feminist movement?

Quote:There are at least two definitions of feminism. You are using one, and some people use another. These definitions are often used interchangebly in the feminist community e.g. Atheism+. As I see it, I can either put my efforts into fighting for the what feminism means, or I can use a non-obscure definition of my stance. The former has an inherent flaw in its name that causes confusion. Egalitarianism has no such flaw. So, I choose the latter.
I also get another benefit of choosing to call myself an egalitarian because it is for LGBT rights and against racism.
Most feminists are pro-gay marriage and anti-racism.
It's hard to define something completely, even atheism has misconceptions and no 100% correct definition - But do you stop calling yourself an atheist just because of that - Or do you pick your own definition of atheist and label yourself as such? I'm guessing it's the later option.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you