In all seriousness I really enjoy answering your threads... I think because for me they seem to all be from someone who has given their belief or lack their of some serious thought.. Or at least you do a really really good job mimicking orginal thought. (You don't cut and paste crap from other atheists, and demand an answer)
Niceness aside time to make the donuts!
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because if you look up the philosophy of 'free will' you will note the earliest concepts of it started with plato's governance of rational thought, and Aristotle's thoughts concerning the works of voluntary actions. While these do predate the church it does not predate Abrahamic religion as a whole. It looks like Augustine (4th-ish century) was the one who introduced the concept of 'free will' into the church.
So again, the philosophy of 'free will' was added long after the bible was written, before the. We were known as slaves to sin or slaves to God. Christianity was the introduction of the choice or choosing to be free from sin, and to take on the yoke of Christ.[/quote]
Niceness aside time to make the donuts!
(January 2, 2015 at 11:25 am)Nope Wrote: Correct me if I am wrong?this should be a period as you are making a statement and not asking a question. (You "asked"
)Quote: The purpose of free will is so that we can freely chose to love god.actually 'free will' is an Ancient Greek construct that the church adopted into its doctrine. It is not a biblically based philosophy. In fact the opposite is true. The bible says we are slaves. Slaves to God or slaves to sin.
Quote: Because the Christian god is so dazzlingly wonderful, if he physically introduced himself, we would automatically love him and he wants us to have the freedom to reject or accept him.actually it's not God that dazzles us. It is his 'stuff' that the wicked covet.
Quote:However, Lucifer lived in heaven and knew god but rejected him. So did several of the angels who followed Satan instead of god.indeed lucifer wanted what God had over and above what God gave him.
Quote:There are incidents in the Old Testament of individuals talking to god. Was their free will to accept or reject god destroyed because of their direct observations of the Hebrew god.? God not only talked to Abraham, he debated with him the number of righteous people who would turn aside his anger against Sodom and Gomorrah. In Exodus chapter 33 it says that Moses spoke to god face to face
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
My question is why is free will necessary only for modern people and not bronze aged nomads or the angels?
because if you look up the philosophy of 'free will' you will note the earliest concepts of it started with plato's governance of rational thought, and Aristotle's thoughts concerning the works of voluntary actions. While these do predate the church it does not predate Abrahamic religion as a whole. It looks like Augustine (4th-ish century) was the one who introduced the concept of 'free will' into the church.
So again, the philosophy of 'free will' was added long after the bible was written, before the. We were known as slaves to sin or slaves to God. Christianity was the introduction of the choice or choosing to be free from sin, and to take on the yoke of Christ.[/quote]
