RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
January 4, 2015 at 10:41 am
(This post was last modified: January 4, 2015 at 11:24 am by Dystopia.)
Quote:Okay, then name some areas where women are disenfranchised in the western world instead of just saying sometimes bad shit happens. Bad shit happens to every race, gender and creed, so what the fuck is your point when it comes to the western world. Then conversely, name some areas where men are oppressed and that just because the law says so doesn't mean that their rights are upheld as much as women, especially when it comes to criminal offenses where it's been prove that women will get less time for similar crimes than men.Yes lighter sentences for women, something any equity feminist is against, but obviously your vast knowledge on the subject says otherwise.
Quote:Men don't suffer oppression? you're brainwashed, sorry. And I thought we got along at one point but until you resend this stupid comment, I no longer take you seriously on this topic. There is no oppression on women from getting CEO jobs, they are less driven to get to that point, there are plenty of studies on that indicate that. For the most part, men have traditionally been the ones aspiring for the highest careers and taking less time off from work. If you look at the statistics and you include things like paternity leave and what careers the genders tend to choose, it shows why there is this wage gap. It's only recently that women have been aspiring for higher positions, and it has everything to do with 1st wave feminism and nothing to do with 3rd wave whiny bullshit.Really? Pulling out a personal insult and saying you no longer consider my position doesn't give you any credit.
https://web.stanford.edu/group/scspi/_me...search.pdf
Also, it's hard to be oppressed, to be oppressed you need to have control over something, at least politics, social institutions, means of production, media, etc - The vast majority are controlled by men, even if all women hated me or you, they wouldn't be able to oppress us, because the government wouldn't allow it (obviously), and because they don't control political institutions to suppress an entire group
Quote:So you're going to just deny the fact that women have a leg up in those areas of alimony and child support and child custody (which are things they usually want) and chalk it up to a disadvantage? you really are a brainwashed feminazi and/or white knight. Also, you are admitting that the male can be the better parent, so why not fight against the women getting alimony and child support and child custody more often than men? oh, right, feminists enjoy advantages while claiming they are a bad thing, gotcha.Again your ignorance on the subject and your insults to me are of no use. Feminists don't want benefits, they are against female privilege such as, but not only, child custody advantages, lighter sentences and better treatment for just being women. Obviously you're read so many blogs and literature that you can already claim feminists want all the benefits, if someone's brainwashed it must a certain typical male that spends too much time reading 9gag and tumblr posts insulting feminists that forget the benefits the movement has brought to everyone including men.
Quote:So stud-shaming doesn't exist? just like male oppression doesn't exist? I swear feminists are so blithely hypocritical and dogmatic in your assertions of oppression in the western world. Higher probability of sexual assault? uh no, it's about the same..And yes I am including prison sexual assault since men are statistically more likely to go to jail than woman are and more likely to get assaulted in prison than women. Oh look, another area where women are favored over men, but I guess you'll again chalk that up to society thinking women are too weak to do crime or some other stupid shit.No, because feminists are against and repeal, criticize, not only male sexual assault in prison but also how society doesn't take male rape seriously. Dogmatic? No I'm critical, I stopped reading posts in 9gag insulting feminists and actually read a few articles by men and women who explain the problems, provide evidence and discuss topics without insulting the other part.
Quote:Why is alimony and child support a benefit for men?....(sigh)This doesn't matter, what matters is that both can raise kids and there's no reason to not be equal on child support or custody laws - Just think about gay men, they can adopt right now in some countries like Holland and studies show kids grow up fine - This proves it's not women's exclusive feature to raise kids properly. And as I have already said, feminists are against those laws that benefit them - Simply because they're based on assumptions that women are weaker, or on very old fashioned values (i.e. Like the value that women are supposed to be providers people and the law still have)
Quote:Ask the women who get it, they get to live off the men's paychecks scott free and can even take their house and half their shit. But you're going to complain about how getting the custody and free money is somehow not a benefit, shut the fuck up.Again being rude to me is not evidence for anything, nor your lack of knowledge on feminism is, you're part of the reason feminists get no credit - Because as soon as one of them gives good arguments why something can be sexist a guy like you spits out something like "Oh shut up just enjoy it don't be a prick" and dismiss what people have to say.
Also seemingly throwing out a typical prejudiced statement of how women live with men's money doesn't aid your cause either. Just because something brings benefits it doesn't make it good, for example I have immigrants living with welfare money and it's a benefit, but I'm still against it because it's unfair, the same goes for child custody laws.
Quote:Oh look, a feminist reducing someone down to their gender like that fucking matters if feminism was truly about gender equality (when it's not, it's about female supremacy) just like a true sexist would do. I wouldn't reduce a woman down to the sum of her reproductive parts like you would with me. Nice straw man there after that as well, when did I say or imply Feminism was ruining my life? that's just an ignorant assumption from a white knight who can't think critically about this issue. If you had any intellectual capacity whatsoever, you'd recognize that Egalitarianism is the only real label for gender equality, not focusing in on one fucking gender in a part of the world where they are equal.If you had any intelligence, you'd know feminism is about equality for females, males, trans, people without gender and everyone. Your ignorance or disagreement doesn't change the definition, the fact you don't like it doesn't change the concept either.
Quote:If you really think women aren't equal yet in the western world, you haven't been paying attention very closely or are trying to get in the pants of some feminist you like perhaps. Also, how did this rambling of yours prove where is this campaign for actually oppressed women instead of these whiny 1st world problem hipster feminists? and how well is it doing for those women over there?Actually unlike some people I'm not dictated by my sexual desires. Give me a break, if you are so worried about 3rd world why don't you do something about it? If we could all dump our trash the world would be better, improving first world problems helps third world because we influence those countries if we are better. On the other hand, I don't think any of the main problems are hipster as you put it, but of course you have so vast knowledge on the subject that you don't even know which are. The fact some people have it worse doesn't justify not solving the issue, i.e. We don't stop prosecuting assault because there's murder rights? The fact I've been paying too much attention is what drove me to this position
On the other hand, feminism benefited men: http://mic.com/articles/88277/23-ways-fe...ce-for-men
But obviously your opinion is that feminists want to rule the world - It's also funny that I've also provided some facts that can be freely discussed and you are yet to refute them, instead you just throw out bullshit about "women having advantages here and there" that feminists don't even like and dis-considering that the negatives are far worse than those small advantages. You also point out obvious problems we men have and forget that feminists fight against them and any feminist blog or forum will confirm you that. Do some research before. Your dunning-Kruger effect is strong on this one, you sound like those people who talk to me (law student) and claim to know everything about law and when they start talking it's noticeable that they never studied and made their own conventional conceptions with little to no value
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