RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
January 4, 2015 at 2:53 pm
(This post was last modified: January 4, 2015 at 3:17 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(January 4, 2015 at 8:29 am)bennyboy Wrote: The second poster in this article has already done some research. After about 2 more minutes with google, I think there's enough research out there to justify starting a science thread about the issue of genetics and rape. I'm not sure there's really much more to be said in the context of atheism and anti-feminism that hasn't been said yet?
The very first paragraph in the very first post lays bare the problem with this being used as a support:
Quote:What rape is not a biologically deviated behaviour depends on whether we decide to accept the following assumption about human nature or not: The main general features of our species (language, moral sense, intelligence, personality, attractiveness between the sexes) are genetically programmed. The environment contributes to the flowering of these innate abilities, but it works upon material already structured. The mind is equipped with emotions, drives, and faculties of reasoning and communicating -shaped by natural selection- that act over the course of human evolution, and owe their basic design to information in the genome.
[Italics in original -- Parks]
The importance of EP to human behavior is disputed. Altruism has a possible explanation there, rage as well. Rape? Perhaps. However, nothing you've linked to supports the certainty with which you wrote:
(January 3, 2015 at 12:42 am)bennyboy Wrote: And X% of these boys, in certain circumstances, will commit rape. And no world view or legal system will prevent this, because it's ingrained in the species at a genetic level.
Show me a peer-reviewed study or two demonstrating that it is embedded in the genome. That would support your argument much better than linking to forum threads which, to their credit, acknowledge the assumptions they're making -- even as you don't.
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(January 4, 2015 at 6:04 am)Godslayer Wrote:(January 2, 2015 at 7:07 pm)Blackout Wrote: And why is that a good thing? Some might argue raising kids sucks and it's hardworking, some might even say it's a benefit for men.
Why is alimony and child support a benefit for men?....(sigh)
Ask the women who get it, they get to live off the men's paychecks scott free and can even take their house and half their shit. But you're going to complain about how getting the custody and free money is somehow not a benefit, shut the fuck up.
I want to address this a little further. As a single, joint-custodial father, regular child support is in my interest because it is in my son's best interest to have a stable home whether he's at her house or mine that night. Child support is not enough for a woman with a child to live "scott free".
Raising a child is goddamned expensive, and it's only right that the noncustodial parent pay support. I don't begrudge my support (our ruling gives me 42% custody, her 58%, and I pay support to cover the difference) because I know it's put to good use. If I thought it was being put to bad use, I would have every right to reopen the custody case with new evidence, and adjust the settlement accordingly -- just like any other noncustodial parent.
As for alimony, in many states that isn't paid man-to-woman, but higher earner-to-lower earner.
And finally, even though raising my son is hard work, there's no way I'd say it sucks, and I doubt I'm rare amongst parents in feeling that way.
(January 4, 2015 at 1:49 pm)Nope Wrote: Could someone explain to me what it matters if some people have a genetic predisposition to rape? Some people are born sociopaths. It doesn't mean that they don't go to jail if they are caught hurting other people.
It bothers me because inevitably some asshole will use it in an attempt to excuse his own brutal behavior, or that of others.
Additionally, such a general claim as "it lies in the human genome, but we don't know what X% is" is a subtle way of saying that every man is potentially a rapist, and I disagree with that view.
Unsupported views should be questioned.