RE: [split] Agnostic atheism is the only intellectually honest position
July 29, 2010 at 6:32 am
(July 29, 2010 at 4:07 am)Tiberius Wrote: The "can't prove a negative" is a fallacy. Of course you can prove a negative; quite easily in fact, by pointing out a contradiction. For instance, you can easily prove that there are no square circles, since squares have 4 sides and circles have 1.I think I can do that with the various accepted definitions of god.
Quote:The problems with Gods in general is that the definitions are vague and don't contain contradictions. Specific Gods certainly might, but the whole "god" concept is one which is logically valid.The concept's definitions are quite clear. Where are you seeing definitions that do not contain contradictions or other logical impossibilities? The only ones I'm seeing that are too vague, are the made up ones that don't have any actual god traits to them. Reverence and religious type emotions may be involved, but it is not a god they are believing in.
Even the vaguest of dictionary defs, MW's "infinite Mind" has not only a ton of the usual unprovabilities, but a logical contradiction/impossibility: Here's some of the unprovables (not that they are really needed for this, but I felt like including my side thoughts) followed by the logical problem. How could it ever be proven to me that some mind is encompassing EVERYTHING? For instance, let's say it turned out conclusively that our universe was merely a part of a large mind. How could I consider this to be infinite? Maybe there are others like it. Maybe there are also minds larger than it too just like it was larger than us. How would I even know that it reaches infinity? I wouldn't recognise infinity if I were staring it in the face. But it doesn't stop at just infinity questions. They only show its unprovability.
The fullblown impossibility comes into play with it being a mind that is infinite. Since that mind has never reached as far as including me, it is at the least not infinite spacially or timewise. It would be everywhere&always if it were. And before anyone says well, maybe it's just not letting you know it's there, I say: Then it's not being infinite, just saying that it could be if it wanted to. If I were to say that I could get pregnant if I wanted to, does that mean I AM pregnant? If a mind were infinite, I would BE that mind.
I'm really shitty at giving kudos and rep. That's because I would be inconsistent in remembering to do them, and also I don't really want it to show if any favouritism is happening. Even worse would be inconsistencies causing false favouritisms to show. So, fuck it. Just assume that I've given you some good rep and a number of kudos, and everyone should be happy...