Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?

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If they were fighting for same sentences for crimes they'd be asking the judge for as much time as a man for the same crime, not whining that it's unfair that women get less time in jail..what the fuck? are you kidding me? that's a positive, not a negative.

When did it become a trend for feminists to advocate lighter sentences for women? Do you have any credible feminist literature or articles that prove this is a position followed by feminists?

Yes, you lose all credibility when you say 50% of the world population doesn't suffer oppression simply because of their gender. Something a true sexist and piece of shit would say.

An ad hominem is what you are comitting. And your ignorance on the definition of oppression that can only happen if one groups possesses power over the other is relevant - It is different if some women think all men are pigs and women actually having power to oppress men with legislative, political, social and coercitive measures, something they can't de facto do and most don't want to.

Which women do, in many advanced societies...including and especially America.

What percentage of women control politics, the media, means of production, the army, CEO jobs, social structures and so on?

How is that men's fault that women don't seem to pursue politics as much as men do? talk about being a white knight...

Maybe it's society's fault that politics is seen as a credible normal job for males and as an exception for females, because a female politician is seen as an exceptional strong women and not as a regular politician like a man. And you calling me white knight does nothing about it

They don't want benefits but will gladly exploit them to their desire. LOL, the claims of ignorance towards others when you wrote that out, wow. And if they didn't want benefits they would demand to be a part of the draft, demand that men get alimony as much as women, demand that men get custody of children as much as women, but they don't. You are the only one ignorant of the misandrist movement you're part of. And I love how feminists just ignore counter-points brought up to them, I bet if this was in the streets you would just yell into your megaphone at me.

LOL - You are actually revealing more ignorance by refusing to acknowledge that contact with the actual feminist movement would reveal they are against getting benefits in alimony, drafts, child custody, with general social structures, etc. The draft is completely irrelevant since I'm against drafting for both people and I'm anti-war.

Obviously you like to make fallacious claims about people's positions that you don't know. Before this your dumbass was saying that I just mimic what Anti-feminists say like I have no mind of my own. Fuck you and your condescending attitude. I can make a broad generalization of you too, you're probably just a feminist to get women. Oh, was that a bad generalization of male feminists? a bunch of mangina's trying to get on some girls good side that they like.

Lol, I've been dating for two years and I'm everything but sexually frustrated, and feminism has made my relationship more respectful, equal and healthy. I know the position because I labelled myself as an anti-feminism, like you, because I was ignorant, had never been in contact with feminism and had a prejudiced opinion about what it was because of the media, society and people and their biased opinions on what a movement is without even reading literature, blogs, articles, studies and information. Also telling me to go fuck myself isn't really according to a polite conduct.

I love how you think you can just speak for the whole of feminism. Like there isn't this large portion of feminists that are incredibly dogmatic and misandrist in their ideologies. I don't think I could speak for the whole of people who disagree with feminism, so who the fuck are you to speak for all feminists, again, fuck you, speak for yourself. And again, you avoid the topic at hand, stud shaming doesn't exist? if slut shaming is so bad, then clearing stud shaming is just as bad, but the majority of feminists hardly ever condemn that. In fact, the popular feminists like Rebecca Watson will condemn female "objectification" but will go ahead and objectify men's private parts on her blog right after. You're just like her, hypocritical to the bone.

Do you have any evidence that a large portion of feminists are dogmatic, misandrists and so on? BTW, you might not realize it but feminists disagree on many things, they don't hold one political ideology, they don't have the same view on every social issue or political, etc.

I can speak for what feminism stands for with security because unlike you I've been able to refute your biased claims despite your refusal to acknowledge it and I've read and learned about the feminist movement, I've talked to feminism, been to forums, debated topics, and I haven't meet a single one of them who wants superiority. In fact, they are ashamed that some women who label themselves as feminist commit acts of discrimination against men and feel embarrassed that those women who no one likes are associated with the movement. But obviously your vast cultural, sociological and historical knowledge says otherwise.

Then why don't men get alimony if there is some patriarchy against women? lol it's just patriarchy itself giving women advantages even though they are oppressed in western culture somehow? give me a fucking break.

Equity feminists are against those benefits for female because to be pro-equality you want to erase disadvantages AND benefits - Not to mention they fight male problems like male rape or our toxic overwhelming concept of masculinity/manliness.

Completely irrelevant to what has been said.

It's not since it disproves only women should be caregivers.

They give alimony to women as an advantage, how the fuck is that oppression, that's the courts trying to help women out who may have never worked in their life and had a husband pay for everything. If anything, feminists would probably support this as a whole because they support women over men and if women get free money from a man, it just disassembles the patriarchy a little bit more. If fairness was really in order the feminists would deny child support and alimony, but they don't.

Again do you have any evidence that it's a proeminent orientation in feminism to be pro women having advantages? It's not oppression, but it's a double standard, it's a gender stereotype because it assumes women should take care of kids more often - And logically if I was a woman I'd be offended if courts thought I was more fit to raise kids simply because I'm a woman

It has nothing to do with weakness, get off your high horse.

It has to do in child custody with what I talked above.

eing an idiot. You're the one saying feminists reject benefits when they are the ones who are saying men are to blame for everything but you're going to say at the same time they deny free money from men? you're fucking delusional, people will decide based on what's best for their lifestyle. If a woman can get half of her ex husbands shit, she is more than likely to get a lawyer and fight for it, as well as alimony and child custody and child support. So again, shut the fuck up.

Again insulting me is irrelevant, do you have any evidence that it's common among the feminist movement and it's concept to blame men for everything and that woman pursue child custody just to get money as a common practice?

Ask the women who get the free money and benefits, 90% or more will tell you they are happier not having to work and raise their kids on their ex husbands dime. Why the fuck is it not a benefit, if I divorced my wife who worked full time, and got the kids and child support, that's not a benefit to me even though I wouldn't have to work or save up for retirement since I get free money? again, delusional. You're against welfare for the people who do the jobs you don't want to do like clean toilets? fuck you, you sound like a republican shill as well.

Do you have any statistics to prove their happiness? And do you realize that not working and being unemployed often has a bad effect on people? Also, if you don't discount you don't get retirement. How many child custody payments are actually enough for her to support all kids and live without working? I want evidence.

That's an antiquated view on feminism from the early 20th century, that's no different than a theist saying to an atheist that a "theory" in science is just a guess when there are multiple definitions of words and the intrinsic value of words change over time as well. Where feminism used to be about equality, is now about female supremacy in the western world, because women are more than fucking equal in this culture.

Yes, keep telling yourself that - Personal lack of knowledge and facts doesn't make a compelling argument

You reduced me down to my gender, which is something that feminism is supposedly against, but clearly isn't since it's clearly a movement for female supremacy instead of gender equality which is what the egalitarian movement is about, equality despite gender, not specifically catering to one gender like feminism. And if you deny that feminism is female oriented you're dumber than I thought.

Egalitarianism and feminism don't work separated, but together. As for your last statement, yeah feminism is more directed towards woman, like LGBT is more towards gays, but that doesn't invalidate their concerns over other issues like men's, people of racial minorities, homosexuals and so on. I didn't reduce you to your gender, I reduced you to your ignorance which is something I don't take any pleasure in. All those ideologies together form an egalitarian perspective.

I'm not claiming to be part of a movement dedicated to women who does nothing about the women who are actually oppressed in the world and instead worrying about 1st world problems that aren't actually problems. And if you think feminism is dedicated to men as you're saying that men are never oppressed, you just proved my fucking point. Feminism is focused on women and not men, get over it, it's not a gender equal movement, Egalitarianism is, and feminists love to ignore that, as you did for the 100th time, you intellectually dishonest little shill.

Calling me indirectly a little shit doesn't prove you're right... Also claiming without evidence feminists don't care about the 3rd world doesn't prove it doesn't. And saying we shouldn't solve first world issues because the 3rd world has it worse is an invalid statement, should we not fix hunger of our homeless because of kids in Africa, for example? Instead of being blind, I actually acknowledge feminism has benefited me as a cis male that enjoys being male, because of many problems I have due to our social concept of masculinity that has given my issues during my lifetime, and feminists are against that same concept.

Tell that to the hipster feminists all over tumblr who advocated #killallmen.

Tell me why those people are actually feminist and not just retards and tell me why if I search on google "women shouldn't" the first search suggestion is "have the right to vote"?

Including men, who are oppressed too, but I guess feminazis like you will never admit that.

Yeah we are oppressed clearly, that's what people with little knowledge will claim.

You think women wouldn't be drunk with power if they suddenly ran every branch of government like you claim it is in favor of men? Of course the feminists want power in the world and influence in popular culture, you delusional fuckwit.

Are you implying that if most politicians were women they'd want to oppress anyone?

I clearly have, but you clearly don't share the opinion that your worldview has been trounced, so be it. If men had all these advantages in the world, they wouldn't be disenfranchised at all, they wouldn't go to jail more, they wouldn't pay child support, they wouldn't pay alimony, think about it for a second. If men really ruled the world as a patriarchal system where they kept women down specifically, then it would still look like the dark ages.

Maybe because men commit more crimes genius? Or they commit the majority of serious crimes (i.e. Serial killers) - No it wouldn't there's subtle institutional ways to discriminate against many people while making it seem acceptable.

No they don't, where are the marches for men's rights? non-fucking-existent, get that through your thick fucking head, I don't even think you're really an idiot, I'm just annoyed by your stupid opinions, you're probably a reasonable person outside this one topic. The majority of feminists fight for female rights and female privileges and don't fight against advantages they have otherwise they would be abolished since feminism has quite a few people and heavy influence in society, I mean Anita Sarkisian got on the Colbert Report for being an inconsistent content provider on youtube who claims women are oppressed in video games. And they will say things like you as a white male can't comment on this because you are privileged, CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!! and just like that they've reduced my opinions to nothing because of my gender and race, how completely racist and sexist. Ahhhh Feminism, refreshing.

MRA's are non existent? I don't give a fuck about who that person is and she is certainly not evidence that feminism is this and that as an individual person. Also women in videogames is a completely different issue, there's surveys that tell us 40%+ of gamers are female, how is - Portraying women as sex objects in games; putting females as non playable characters most of the time; giving them secondary non important roles in plot; using them as decoration for rooms and atmospheres; using them merely as wives, sisters or for sexual favours; perpetuating stereotypes about prostitutes, gold diggers and so on - Not fucking sexism? I'm saying this because gaming community needs to be inclusive, and telling 40% of the population of gamers that they don't matter is anti-profit, anti-revenue and takes credibility away from the claim that "videogames are art", and since I love games I want female characters who are more than sex objects, wives, princesses, I want more characters like Lara Croft who don't get their value from having merely large boobs.


Honestly, you've just insulted me, committed several ad hominems, provided zero evidence that feminism is what you say it is, and still you think you're right. I'm calm, rational, I argued and said clear reasons why things are like this and that, yet you continue to insult me, you seem mad. Maybe it's because your ignorant, reducionist worldview based on stereotypes, prejudiced and ideas that are not true is being challeged.

Also no one said you can't comment on anything because you're white male, it's simply important for you to put into other people's places and think how they would feel - I.e. Would you like if you were a male gamer and males in games were portrayed always as hot guys to have sex, as husbands without important roles, as decoration for rooms, as prostitutes and non playable characters? Yeah you don't give a shit about this because you have nothing to lose, you are not affected specifically in gaming because games are made mostly with white males in mind. If you really want to see how stuff works check out an article with several references that shows you why feminists don't like female gendered benefits (for some reason I expect you to continue to affirm that they want benefits even after stating and linking you articles that show it's not really like that)

For further consideration before you reply you can read this article (written by a white man) about how feminism and misandry are different to enlighten the misconceptions you seem to manifest so often that are clearly wrong if you take a look at some facts and realize your opinion on the subject (as well as mine) are completely irrelevant to distinguish two concepts (feminism and misandry) that are already differentiated and shouldn't be confused