(January 2, 2015 at 11:25 am)Nope Wrote: Correct me if I am wrong? The purpose of free will is so that we can freely chose to love god.
Biblically speaking no one can nor will choose God (Romans 3:10-12, 1 Corinthians 2:14, Ephesians 2:1). If a person's free will cannot be used to choose to love God, it would therefore follow that the purpose of free will can not be so that we can freely choose to love God.
(January 2, 2015 at 11:25 am)Nope Wrote: Because the Christian god is so dazzlingly wonderful, if he physically introduced himself, we would automatically love him and he wants us to have the freedom to reject or accept him.What is true for angels may or may not be true for humans and vice versa. There are elect angels (1 Timothy 5:21) and angels who followed Lucifer in rebellion. Yet there is no salvation for the angels of rebellion (2 Peter 2:4). Therefore if the context of your argument is free will as it relates to salvation, then you have drawn a false analogy. Salvation applies only to humans, not to angels.
However, Lucifer lived in heaven and knew god but rejected him. So did several of the angels who followed Satan instead of god.
(January 2, 2015 at 11:25 am)Nope Wrote: There are incidents in the Old Testament of individuals talking to god. Was their free will to accept or reject god destroyed because of their direct observations of the Hebrew god.? God not only talked to Abraham, he debated with him the number of righteous people who would turn aside his anger against Sodom and Gomorrah. In Exodus chapter 33 it says that Moses spoke to god face to faceYour conclusion that free will is necessary only for modern people and not bronze aged nomads or the angels is not properly argued for. Please revise your argument.
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
My question is why is free will necessary only for modern people and not bronze aged nomads or the angels?
1. Free will exists so that we can freely choose to love God.
2. If God introduced Himself to us we would chose Him.
3. Lucifer knew God
4. Lucifer rejected God
5. Individuals in the old testament talked to God.
Therefore, free will is necessary only for modern people and not bronze aged nomads or the angels.
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
