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Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
(January 6, 2015 at 11:00 am)IATIA Wrote:
(January 6, 2015 at 1:11 am)orangebox21 Wrote: 1. Free will exists so that we can freely choose to love God.
2. If God introduced Himself to us we would chose Him.
3. Lucifer knew God
4. Lucifer rejected God
5. Individuals in the old testament talked to God.

Therefore, free will is necessary only for modern people and not bronze aged nomads or the angels.
All references to 'seeing' god in the bible suggest that it was a man they were looking at. So, if that same 'man' walked up to you today .., ?

And those few that got the opportunity to go to 'heaven' were required to take drugs first.
In 1 Timothy 6:15-16 we learn that God resides in unapproachable light that no man has seen nor can seen (see also John 1:18 and John 6:46). If no man can see God, then who did people in the old testament see? There is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Only God the Son appeared in flesh. Therefore, they saw the pre-incarnate Christ (which is why it is suggested that it was a man they were looking at). That "same man" walked up to many people during His incarnation and yet many of those people who saw the Son in the flesh did not believe in Him. Therefore, if Christ in the flesh were to walk up to you today, that does not necessarily mean that you would believe in Him. Seeing is not necessarily believing.

If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?



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Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 2, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by robvalue - January 2, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 2, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 3:48 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 3, 2015 at 1:21 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 3, 2015 at 2:48 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by IATIA - January 3, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 3, 2015 at 2:40 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 3, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 3, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Simon Moon - January 3, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by abaris - January 3, 2015 at 4:38 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by IATIA - January 3, 2015 at 4:38 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 3, 2015 at 5:01 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by abaris - January 3, 2015 at 5:04 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 7:51 pm
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 8:09 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Simon Moon - January 3, 2015 at 5:02 pm
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 3, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by abaris - January 3, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by IATIA - January 3, 2015 at 4:37 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by h4ym4n - January 3, 2015 at 5:34 pm
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by IATIA - January 3, 2015 at 2:44 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Simon Moon - January 3, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Natachan - January 3, 2015 at 7:21 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 4, 2015 at 3:10 pm
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 4, 2015 at 11:05 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by h4ym4n - January 5, 2015 at 6:55 am
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Minimalist - January 4, 2015 at 11:46 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 4, 2015 at 11:50 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 12:03 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by robvalue - January 5, 2015 at 12:12 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 1:06 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Minimalist - January 5, 2015 at 1:10 am
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 12:26 pm
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Drich - January 5, 2015 at 4:17 pm
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Whateverist - January 6, 2015 at 3:29 am
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by h4ym4n - January 5, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 5:52 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Cyberman - January 5, 2015 at 6:11 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 6:28 pm
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 5, 2015 at 6:53 pm
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by The Grand Nudger - January 6, 2015 at 12:22 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 6, 2015 at 12:24 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 6, 2015 at 1:11 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by IATIA - January 6, 2015 at 11:00 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by dyresand - January 6, 2015 at 11:05 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 6, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Cyberman - January 6, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 6, 2015 at 2:03 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by The Grand Nudger - January 6, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by IATIA - January 6, 2015 at 2:57 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 7, 2015 at 11:34 am
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 7, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 7, 2015 at 5:20 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 12, 2015 at 2:29 pm
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 7, 2015 at 4:35 pm
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by orangebox21 - January 26, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by The Grand Nudger - January 26, 2015 at 4:57 pm
RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Cyberman - January 26, 2015 at 9:38 pm

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