Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God

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Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God

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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God

January 6, 2015 at 2:03 pm

(January 6, 2015 at 12:06 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(January 6, 2015 at 1:11 am)orangebox21 Wrote: 1. Free will exists so that we can freely choose to love God.

Fiat assertion. Citation needed.

(January 6, 2015 at 1:11 am)orangebox21 Wrote: 2. If God introduced Himself to us we would chose Him.

Fiat assertion. Non sequitur. Also your if is showing.

(January 6, 2015 at 1:11 am)orangebox21 Wrote: 3. Lucifer knew God

In the bible.

(January 6, 2015 at 1:11 am)orangebox21 Wrote: 4. Lucifer rejected God

In the bible.

(January 6, 2015 at 1:11 am)orangebox21 Wrote: 5. Individuals in the old testament talked to God.

In the bible.

(January 6, 2015 at 1:11 am)orangebox21 Wrote: Therefore, free will is necessary only for modern people and not bronze aged nomads or the angels.

Non sequitur. Fiat assertion. Total dependence on mythology without justification or foundation.

The above argument was a summation of the OP's premises and conclusion. If you disagree or have a criticism, let Glitch know.

I have issues with the soundness of the argument as well, but I'm waiting for Glitch to confirm the argument before I offer any advice.

If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?

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Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God - by Nope - January 2, 2015 at 11:25 am

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