(January 9, 2009 at 9:19 am)Ephrium Wrote: Say talk about the lottery. There is just say 1 in 1 billion billion chance of some number being chosen Randomly. If we are to fully trust in believer's logic, then we will have to say, no matter what number happened to be the result,Your argument is not the same as theirs though. You are reasoning from the start of a sequence of events, they are reasoning from the end.
"Look, there is only 1 in 1 billion billion chance this number can happen. Will you rather believe it was by itself or that someone purposely picked this number"
If I go out today and buy a ticket for the lottery tomorrow the chance of me winning the lottery is 1 in 1 billion billion (to use your figures). If I do actually win then the day after that the chance of me *having* won the lottery is 1 in 1.
The religious person is using the fact that we are already here as eliminating all possibly alternatives (when, to me at least, we are just wandering along a random path taking a route which *at the time of each step* makes the most sense (if you see what I mean)).