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i need some debate help..
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RE: i need some debate help..
(August 7, 2010 at 2:24 am)solja247 Wrote: But what started the universe? We know this universe had a starting point and will have an ending point, so what started the universe?
At its earliest stage, the universe was an extremely tiny singularity according to most if not all modern models of the early universe. Prior to that, no one really knows right now.

(August 7, 2010 at 2:24 am)solja247 Wrote: Currently it is much logical to say God started the big bang, in fact, it is much more logical at the moment to believe in God or gods starting the universe and fine tuning so that life could exist (and that elements could be created). However, atheists are just saying, 'Well, you just wait theists we are going to find something that answers all this!'
Thats a big assumption.
Anyways, you are supposed to say I dont know how the universe started or how the energy/matter came into existence.
I don't know what your definition of 'logic' is, but no, filling in the gaps with a great magical trevor despite his magical tricks being ever so clever is not a logical progression of any kind in terms of understanding the beginnings of the universe based on provided evidence.

(August 7, 2010 at 2:24 am)solja247 Wrote: How so? I didnt see how you got to your conclusion?
How does adding a God or gods complicate things? Wouldnt it uncomplicate things?
Think about it, currently, anything that follows the laws of nature has a cause for its existence, only something outside the laws of nature does not need a reason for its existence.
So which one is more complicated God or something that goes against the laws of nature?
God, according to Christians, is an omnipotent, omnicient, infinate being.
That is not a simple addition even though adding supernaturalism to solve any issues with science is an intellectual dead end in the same sense that by using fantasy to fill in for fact, you're pretending you've already answered the question.
I don't know what started the universe. I have no evidence that proves anything. I think it's certainly worthwhile to find out since no one has any reality-based answers for that question.

Religion seems to like to think they've answered every question science has challenged for as long as there's been people who confuse hallucinations and delusions with fact.
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i need some debate help.. - by ShrinkingPinecone - August 2, 2010 at 8:29 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Autumnlicious - August 2, 2010 at 8:49 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Minimalist - August 2, 2010 at 9:08 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Autumnlicious - August 2, 2010 at 9:32 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Minimalist - August 2, 2010 at 9:35 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 3, 2010 at 10:56 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Eilonnwy - August 5, 2010 at 12:41 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by fr0d0 - August 7, 2010 at 6:28 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Edwardo Piet - August 8, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by ShrinkingPinecone - August 5, 2010 at 7:06 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 5, 2010 at 7:13 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 2:24 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 7, 2010 at 3:21 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 4:27 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Darwinian - August 7, 2010 at 4:29 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 7, 2010 at 2:52 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 4:53 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Darwinian - August 7, 2010 at 6:42 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by LEDO - August 7, 2010 at 6:08 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 7:11 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Tiberius - August 7, 2010 at 7:34 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by fr0d0 - August 7, 2010 at 8:04 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 8:40 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by ABierman1986 - August 8, 2010 at 3:06 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Tiberius - August 8, 2010 at 9:12 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Quest of knowledge - August 8, 2010 at 2:38 am

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