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i need some debate help..
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RE: i need some debate help..
Quote:I don't know what your definition of 'logic' is, but no, filling in the gaps with a great magical trevor despite his magical tricks being ever so clever is not a logical progression of any kind in terms of understanding the beginnings of the universe based on provided evidence.

This isnt God of the Gaps fallacy. Something had to start this universe and all the other verses for that matter!
I argue that something is God whatever that something be. That something which has created everything in our expanding Multiverse.
When you incite the God of the Gaps fallacy, you assume something will be proven, so that God is taken out of the picture and we will know a natural causation for the start of the multiverse. But what if we dont find it? I mean even Stephen Hawking says God may of started it all:
"It is difficult to discuss the beginning of the universe without mentioning the concept of God. My work on the origin of the universe is on the borderline between science and religion, but I try to stay on the scientific side of the border. It is quite possible that God acts in ways that cannot be described by scientific laws, but in that case, one would just have to go by personal belief."

Are you going to argue Hawking is falling into the God of the Gaps fallacy?
Quote:God, according to Christians, is an omnipotent, omnicient, infinate being.
That is not a simple addition even though adding supernaturalism to solve any issues with science is an intellectual dead end in the same sense that by using fantasy to fill in for fact, you're pretending you've already answered the question.
I don't know what started the universe. I have no evidence that proves anything. I think it's certainly worthwhile to find out since no one has any reality-based answers for that question.

Religion seems to like to think they've answered every question science has challenged for as long as there's been people who confuse hallucinations and delusions with fact.

How is the supernaturalism unscientific? Lets look at it logically.
1. Anything in this world/dimension HAS to obey the laws of nature
2. Anything in another world/dimension may or may not have to obey OUR laws of nature
3. Therefore it may be possible for something not of this world/dimension to manipulate the laws of nature.

I dont claim to be a physicist or a cosmologist so I dont really want to get into all the science behind it.

Yes you are right, Christians do claim those things about God, I guess we will never know until we meet Him...
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i need some debate help.. - by ShrinkingPinecone - August 2, 2010 at 8:29 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Autumnlicious - August 2, 2010 at 8:49 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Minimalist - August 2, 2010 at 9:08 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Autumnlicious - August 2, 2010 at 9:32 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Minimalist - August 2, 2010 at 9:35 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 3, 2010 at 10:56 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Eilonnwy - August 5, 2010 at 12:41 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by fr0d0 - August 7, 2010 at 6:28 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Edwardo Piet - August 8, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by ShrinkingPinecone - August 5, 2010 at 7:06 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 5, 2010 at 7:13 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 2:24 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 7, 2010 at 3:21 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 4:27 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Darwinian - August 7, 2010 at 4:29 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 7, 2010 at 2:52 pm
RE: i need some debate help.. - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 4:53 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Darwinian - August 7, 2010 at 6:42 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by LEDO - August 7, 2010 at 6:08 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 7:11 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Tiberius - August 7, 2010 at 7:34 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by fr0d0 - August 7, 2010 at 8:04 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 8:40 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by ABierman1986 - August 8, 2010 at 3:06 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Tiberius - August 8, 2010 at 9:12 am
RE: i need some debate help.. - by Quest of knowledge - August 8, 2010 at 2:38 am

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