i need some debate help..

[solja247]

Our current understanding of the laws of nature fall apart when we get back to the moment of the big bang and if you've ever studied quantum mechanics then you will also know that standard logic and intuition are not much use either.

Yes, you are correct.

Why do you think that because we don't know what the conditions where that caused our universe to come into existence it therefore follows that it must have been created by a magical entity called God and further, the God of the Bible?

This is still the problem, you have to believe that future evidence will disprove the need for a God.
I find it rather amusing that even Hawkings says perhaps, he doesn't totally dismiss neither accepts, but says perhaps?

Why this magical entity?
I wouldnt call it a magical entitiy, why not? Instead of making all this stuff up an infinite multiverse always being here and never having a beginning and being in a continuous cycle just put God in there. Your going 200km to get to your destination, build a bridge and you will be there in a few minuets.

Lets call it God not God of the Bible....

Why could not the universe have always existed in some form or another and the universe we currently see and study is simply one phase of a continuous cycle? Surely this scenario is far more plausible and logical.

Perhaps, I wouldnt say its very logical though.
Currently, anything that has a cause has had a beginning . Only something without a cause, the uncaused cause, could be the causer of the universe we live in.
Lets get out of the box. wouldnt something complicated have to start the multiverse?

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I dont believe theism has any empirical evidence. However, I believe it has more evidence than atheism and that all atheist has to say, 'I dobt it'

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I'm sure that most atheists couldn't care less if God can be explained away by science or not. All physicists, cosmologists etc. are interested in is how the Universe works and where it came from and where it's going.

Most atheists would love nothing more than to be able to prove God or gods wrong, it would be a dream come true, most/some atheists are not honest and dont go where the evidence leads them, as Anthony Flew....

Perhaps we'll never find out where it all came from. Perhaps it didn't come from anywhere because if time and space came into existence with the big bang there would have been no where or when for it to have come from. So in this case the question, what happened before time itself, doesn't apply and cannot make sense.

Your right about this, perhaps we will never know.

That's a very anthropic statement and begs the question, who created the designer? And if the answer is that the designer has always existed or somehow he exists outside time and space then why not save yourself a step and keep things as simple and logical as possible by saying that the conditions for our 'current' Universe have always existed or exist in a state that is outside the normal laws of space and time.

but is it more logical? Either the universe deceptively looks like it was designed by a designer or it was designed, I believe it was designed (a lot of people people are sitting on the fence).
The thing is, the idea of God, or a designer is gaining more weight...

You really don't need some complex, omnipotent and omniscient entity to explain anything and the addition of one must purely be for anthropic reasons. You seem to be starting with the premise that God exists and then you go out looking for him and then, not surprisingly you find him in all sorts of odd little places that science has yet to fully explain. The trouble with that method is that you could apply it to almost anything from a god, gods, FSM, IPU, The Great Green Arkleseezure, A multi-dimensional alien race or whatever.

I merely said that God is the creator of everything and yes, he would have to be rather complicated. If the big bang was just a little too big or small we wouldnt be alive, would we?